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KJo 23bbs facing BTN MR + flopped TP - planning & options.

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  1. BscHons BscHons is offline

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    May 15th, 2012 (5/15/2012 5:31pm)

    Not much of a read on the villain - after 16 hands he had been active (38/25) and after looking at these hands I regard him as a loose/passive type of player who is capable of making small bluffs post flop, but generally is going to be playing honest. He was limp calling 3bets and opening for 3x so we can assume he isn't great.

    I regard his min 3bet pre as a 'please don't fold' type of 3bet, and generally I think this type of player has quite a narrow range here. I called with the intention of flopping a monster and getting away from it if I didn't hit big. I didn't follow this plan! Folding pre seems silly as we are getting such great odds. Looking back, I should have stuck with my plan and just folded - but I would still like to know if anyone else is playing this differently...


    pokerstars Hand #80274882852: Tournament #555874164, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2012/05/11 17:08:25 WET [2012/05/11 12:08:25 ET]
    Table '555874164 17' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: AlexanDro733 (11560 in chips)
    Seat 2: drimpan (8537 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 3: Mércurial (9260 in chips)
    Seat 4: kuklov (26211 in chips)
    Seat 5: afca-bussum (23316 in chips)
    Seat 6: julipoker240 (5334 in chips)
    AlexanDro733: posts the ante 50
    drimpan: posts the ante 50
    Mércurial: posts the ante 50
    kuklov: posts the ante 50
    afca-bussum: posts the ante 50
    julipoker240: posts the ante 50
    julipoker240: posts small blind 200
    AlexanDro733: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Mércurial [Kc Js]
    drimpan: folds
    Mércurial: raises 400 to 800
    kuklov: folds
    afca-bussum: raises 400 to 1200
    julipoker240: folds
    AlexanDro733: folds
    Mércurial: calls 400
    *** FLOP *** [Kh 2h 7c]
    Mércurial: checks
    afca-bussum: bets 2000
    afca-bussum said, "?"
    Mércurial...
  2. mdshack14 mdshack14 is offline

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    May 15th, 2012 (5/15/2012 5:41pm) in reply to BscHons

    Just dump the KJ off in that position. If you were in later position I definitely have no problem with a raise but from early position you're going to be getting yourself into tough spots more often than not. As played i'm pretty content folding to his flop bet. You said the play doesn't get out of line too much so what are you beating here? JJ,QQ. You say you regard him as pretty honest. You're probably dominated here with only 1200 invested. KJ really doesn't seem good in this spot.
     
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    May 15th, 2012 (5/15/2012 5:42pm) in reply to mdshack14

    Well for one, you shoulda sticked to your plan and folded pre. Kj is not a monster. Your 9k stack is worth about (14.24BBs)

    Get out of that eww, fold. Hes crushing you! Dump it and look for another spot. it's just to iffy there with K,j. If I was in a later pos maybe I play. thats normally a 99% fold.
    Edited By: TourrPlayerr May 15th, 2012 at 05:51 PM
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    May 15th, 2012 (5/15/2012 6:01pm) in reply to TourrPlayerr

    Raise pre is fine in a 6max game.

    Flatting is meh. Great implied odds, so a flat is ok, but you have to fold if you don't flop 2pr+
    Edited By: tyson219 May 15th, 2012 at 06:01 PM
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  5. ChAzZz18 ChAzZz18 is offline

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    May 15th, 2012 (5/15/2012 6:18pm) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    Raise pre is fine in a 6max game.

    Flatting is meh. Great implied odds, so a flat is ok, but you have to fold if you don't flop 2pr+


    Pretty much this. I dont mind calling the flop and reevaluating if he bets a little smaller.
     
  6. BscHons BscHons is offline

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    May 15th, 2012 (5/15/2012 7:25pm) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    Raise pre is fine in a 6max game.

    Flatting is meh. Great implied odds, so a flat is ok, but you have to fold if you don't flop 2pr+


    Agreed. I flatted the 3b for a monster and didn't get it. Easy fold. Thanks.
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    May 15th, 2012 (5/15/2012 10:16pm) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    Raise pre is fine in a 6max game.

    Flatting is meh. Great implied odds, so a flat is ok, but you have to fold if you don't flop 2pr+

    This is what I'd do too, never folding to such a small raise!
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    May 15th, 2012 (5/15/2012 11:50pm) in reply to WireEden

    meh I dont mind shoving here personally
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    May 17th, 2012 (5/17/2012 8:40pm) in reply to Charlamaigne

     
    Originally Posted by Charlamaigne View Post

    meh I dont mind shoving here personally

    Your're crasy if your shoving this! FOLD!FOLD!
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    May 18th, 2012 (5/18/2012 3:00am) in reply to TourrPlayerr

    That tiny 3bet definitely smells strength even though it's from the button. In a 6max game, I'm never folding KJo preflop if it's folded to me (Mercurial is effectively in the HJ here).

    As for post-flop, he bets 2000 into ~3300, which seems like a weird bet. If I was you, I would've bet something like 900-1300 as a blocker bet to see if you can peel a good turn card or force him to raise for more information. Kinda smells like TT+, AKo, AQs+, and in this case you would be beating a decent amount of his range.
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