Nastiest cash spot I've had in a while. I thought I was beat, stayed in....

I didn't think I should shove here... I'm so confused.

My reads on both were loose players (over 30 minutes) but that's 6 max, and neither have bet that strong pre, or postflop, so I was sketched out from the onset. I was sure they had one of us on JJ/KK/QQ, so one had AA.

The table always folds to a 4xBB bet, so I kept it standard to drag in 33, JJ, AQ on draws.

I seriously think I F'd up here, just not sure where, since I wanted action, yet felt priced in to see the flop vs loose guys.

Full Tilt Poker Game #15987503113: Table Fencerow (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:14:31 ET - 2009/11/13
Seat 1: EldestBrother ($10)
Seat 2: nativeblue ($10)
Seat 3: derson ($12.56)
Seat 4: anatali ($15.37)
Seat 5: Defooolt ($24.07), is sitting out
Seat 6: SoCalGirl69 ($11.95)
EldestBrother posts the small blind of $0.05
nativeblue posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to anatali [Ks Kd]
derson calls $0.10
anatali raises to $0.30
SoCalGirl69 has 15 seconds left to act
SoCalGirl69 folds
EldestBrother has 15 seconds left to act
EldestBrother raises to $1
nativeblue calls $0.90
derson calls $0.90
anatali calls $0.70
*** FLOP *** [3c 6d 3h]
EldestBrother has 15 seconds left to act
EldestBrother bets $3
nativeblue calls $3
derson folds
Defooolt has returned
anatali has 15 seconds left to act
anatali raises to $14.37, and is all in
EldestBrother has 15 seconds left to act
EldestBrother calls $6, and is all in
nativeblue calls $6, and is all in
anatali shows [Ks Kd]
EldestBrother shows [Jh Js]
nativeblue shows [9c 9h]
Uncalled bet of $5.37 returned to anatali
*** TURN *** [3c 6d 3h] [As]
*** RIVER *** [3c 6d 3h As] [Jd]
anatali shows two pair, Kings and Threes
EldestBrother shows a full house, Jacks full of Threes
nativeblue shows two pair, Nines and Threes
EldestBrother wins the pot ($29) with a full house, Jacks full of Threes
nativeblue adds $10
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $31 | Rake $2
Board: [3c 6d 3h As Jd]
Seat 1: EldestBrother (small blind) showed [Jh Js] and won ($29) with a full house, Jacks full of Threes
Seat 2: nativeblue (big blind) showed [9c 9h] and lost with two pair, Nines and Threes
Seat 3: derson folded on the Flop
Seat 4: anatali showed [Ks Kd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 5: Defooolt is sitting out
Seat 6: SoCalGirl69 (button) didn't bet (folded)

yeah. at that point I questioned being in there, but that would have cleared things up.

Honestly I think I would have been 4bet there, which I was afraid of. I tend not to shove 1.5 buy in on KK. I'm a far better postflop player than preflop, so I like seeing flops.

Maybe I need to loosen that mindset up?

That's likely where I went wrong since my preflop is very passive and unnecessarily trappy. TY <3

I'll try to quit being a preflop wuss, and learn to deal with 4 bets. At the moment I think I'm bleeding far too much equity by waiting seeing where I stand on the turn, than getting/risking more pre-folds. The turn is my bread and butter.

4 bet preflop to 6$ call shove. If he flats shove majority of flops.

Please dont just flat preflop, you have the second best hand in poker. Why in the world would not try and get some people out or at least put more money in preflop? If you make it $4.25 and call a shove you make WAY more money on this hand in the longrun especially at 10NL.

Full Tilt Poker Game #16008124256: Table Megan (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:46:44 ET - 2009/11/13
Seat 1: tsst fold ($10)
Seat 2: anatali ($11.30)
Seat 3: rumncoke77 ($2.60)
Seat 4: TickTickTIck ($35.49)
Seat 5: Doktor Acula ($10.11)
Seat 6: jojojaja ($10.08)
rumncoke77 posts the small blind of $0.05
TickTickTIck posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to anatali [Ad Ah]
Doktor Acula folds
jojojaja folds
tsst fold raises to $0.40
anatali has 15 seconds left to act
anatali raises to $0.75
rumncoke77 folds
TickTickTIck folds
tsst fold raises to $10, and is all in
anatali calls $9.25
tsst fold shows [Qs Qh]
anatali shows [Ad Ah]
*** FLOP *** [Qc Jh 6d]
*** TURN *** [Qc Jh 6d] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Qc Jh 6d 5c] [4d]
tsst fold shows three of a kind, Queens
anatali shows a pair of Aces
tsst fold wins the pot ($18.81) with three of a kind, Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.15 | Rake $1.34
Board: [Qc Jh 6d 5c 4d]
Seat 1: tsst fold showed [Qs Qh] and won ($18.81) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 2: anatali (button) showed [Ad Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: rumncoke77 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: TickTickTIck (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Doktor Acula didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: jojojaja didn't bet (folded)

And here? I think I followed the advice? Is this one wrong preflop?

why post this, seeme like u got the desired results...

raise bigger - make it $1.20-1.50 then call the shove. never ever ever min-raise its horrible. hope this helps :)

 

Originally Posted by Aarin

yeah. at that point I questioned being in there, but that would have cleared things up.

Honestly I think I would have been 4bet there, which I was afraid of. I tend not to shove 1.5 buy in on KK. I'm a far better postflop player than preflop, so I like seeing flops.

Maybe I need to loosen that mindset up?

Is KK the type of hand you want to play a multi-way pot with? Raise it up preflop.

Full Tilt Poker Game #16084164855: Table Carew (6 max) - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:03:57 ET - 2009/11/17
Seat 1: playa8102 ($1.74)
Seat 2: yeahirule168 ($7.86)
Seat 3: kopothi ($4.93)
Seat 4: craigon16 ($1.70)
Seat 5: surrept ($3.28)
Seat 6: anatali ($2.44)
craigon16 posts the small blind of $0.02
surrept posts the big blind of $0.05
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to anatali [Kc Kh]
anatali has 15 seconds left to act
anatali raises to $0.15
playa8102 raises to $0.40
yeahirule168 folds
kopothi folds
craigon16 calls $0.38
surrept folds
anatali has 15 seconds left to act
anatali raises to $1
playa8102 raises to $1.74, and is all in
craigon16 folds
anatali calls $0.74
playa8102 shows [As Js]
anatali shows [Kc Kh]
*** FLOP *** [9s 2h Ah]
*** TURN *** [9s 2h Ah] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [9s 2h Ah 9d] [Qh]
playa8102 shows two pair, Aces and Nines
anatali shows two pair, Kings and Nines
playa8102 wins the pot ($3.67) with two pair, Aces and Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.93 | Rake $0.26
Board: [9s 2h Ah 9d Qh]
Seat 1: playa8102 showed [As Js] and won ($3.67) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 2: yeahirule168 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: kopothi (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: craigon16 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: surrept (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: anatali showed [Kc Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Nines

;__;

Unlucky. Well played though. You win that over 70% of the time and all you can hope for is getting your money in while dominating.