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KK in the Double Deuce... Can we fold here?

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  1. mindtrip954 mindtrip954 is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 12:30am)

    About 2000 left in the Double Deuce and Im a top 50 stack. Villian was new to the table, less than 10 hands played. He folded until the hand before when he limped, and folded the flop. His turn shove was instant (so it appears the Q didnt affect his decision as he insta-shoved). the only real draw on the flop would be 78. I would think that most 9s would pause when the over hits. Is it super nitty to fold here?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #26543861580: The $200K Double Deuce (200816343), Table 258 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:16:44 ET - 2010/12/19
    Seat 1: mindtrip954 (37,357)
    Seat 2: Virus DenkMal (13,527)
    Seat 3: RoyalStreat (7,972)
    Seat 4: chrisaloe (19,432)
    Seat 5: shon973 (16,793)
    Seat 6: calibra33 (13,102)
    Seat 7: KWQ (15,366)
    Seat 8: rodrigo098 (26,170)
    Seat 9: GLORY2GOD (9,965)
    mindtrip954 antes 50
    Virus DenkMal antes 50
    RoyalStreat antes 50
    chrisaloe antes 50
    shon973 antes 50
    calibra33 antes 50
    KWQ antes 50
    rodrigo098 antes 50
    GLORY2GOD antes 50
    Virus DenkMal posts the small blind of 250
    RoyalStreat posts the big blind of 500
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to mindtrip954 [Kh Ks]
    chrisaloe folds
    shon973 folds
    calibra33 folds
    KWQ has 15 seconds left to act
    KWQ folds
    rodrigo098 calls 500
    GLORY2GOD has 15 seconds left to act
    GLORY2GOD folds
    mindtrip954 raises to 2,345
    Virus DenkMal folds
    RoyalStreat folds
    rodrigo098 calls 1,845
    *** FLOP *** [2h 6c 9s]
    rodrigo098 checks
    mindtrip954 bets 3,333
    rodrigo098 has 15 seconds left to act
    rodrigo098 raises to 6,666
    mindtrip954 calls 3,333
    *** TURN *** [2h 6c 9s] [Qh] (instantly shoved)
    rodrigo098 bets 17,109, and is all in
    mindtrip954 has 15 seconds left to act
    mindtrip954 has requested TIME???
    Edited By: mindtrip954 Dec 20th, 2010 at 12:32 AM
  2. gamma21 gamma21 is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 12:34am) in reply to mindtrip954

    Never folding to someone named Rodrigo.
     
  3. dalix88 dalix88 is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 1:57am) in reply to gamma21

    I definately think folding is too nitty here. I think 9x is still very much in his range (along with a bunch of other hands we beat), and we are going to be ahead enough to make this call a profitable one against a random villain in the DD with donkish tendencies. UL that you ran into a set.
    Edited By: dalix88 Dec 20th, 2010 at 01:57 AM
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  4. P0KERDUUDE P0KERDUUDE is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 3:38am) in reply to gamma21

     
    Originally Posted by gamma21 View Post

    Never folding to someone named Rodrigo.

    lol, and yeah im not folding
     
  5. BMad524 BMad524 is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 3:55am) in reply to P0KERDUUDE

    Snap call. Even if he gets there( I think you're ahead) you still have an ok stack behind. Great opportunity to build a huge stack
  6. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 4:00am) in reply to BMad524

    im not folding either. what country was he from? prob makes it even easier.
     
  7. ACgaming ACgaming is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 6:31am) in reply to bonflizubi

    Need a very strong read to fold.. but against a limper id rr/c the flop
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  8. pokerproplaya08 pokerproplaya08 is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 9:42am) in reply to ACgaming

    nope. wager all your chips imo.
  9. ManchVegasPwn ManchVegasPwn is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 9:57am) in reply to pokerproplaya08

    im calling and expecting to see 9-x and small pairs a bunch (occassionally 22 which sux) and T8 is also possible.. Going to be a pretty big favorite most of the time here imo.
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  10. rayfox111 rayfox111 is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 11:54am) in reply to ManchVegasPwn

    Weird line he took??
    Limp, calls raise pre, check raises flop & donks the turn?
    He must know/think you have something decent to bet with, and yet he shoves the turn.
    Whys he re-raising the flop if hes hit a set, cant see him doing that.
    Just had a look at his OPR - very small volume but 30% ROI.
    Not the foggiest idea what he has, maybe he has 99 after all?
    Would you donk the turn when youve only 1 pair? Dont think so. Saying that is AA possible?
    My guess is your behind, but behind what, not a clue.
    Edited By: rayfox111 Dec 20th, 2010 at 12:00 PM
  11. mindtrip954 mindtrip954 is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 8:23pm) in reply to ManchVegasPwn

     
    Originally Posted by ManchVegasPwn View Post

    im calling and expecting to see 9-x and small pairs a bunch (occassionally 22 which sux) and T8 is also possible.. Going to be a pretty big favorite most of the time here imo.

    In hindsight I def agree with this... The part that really got me is that I would expect most 9x hands to pause for a second and at least think about the Q, and how it affects his hand. On a drawy board the insta shove usually means it is a draw, as they are planning on shoving any blank for their hand...

    I eneded up folding as I felt pretty confident with my table and was taking down alot of pots. At the time I just had a sick gut feeling I was behind. And being at 60bbs I really thought I could continue to chip up nicely (vs calling and losing, and basically having a reshoving stack). Altho having a 100+bbs wouldve been very nice.

    After a night to think about it kinda wish I wouldve made the call, but I dont hate my fold either...
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  12. Dcash82 Dcash82 is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 9:41pm) in reply to mindtrip954

    very possible he had a set of 2's, 6's or 9's here..his limp pre and call of your raise is how many people play smallish pocket pairs. Very tough fold, but probably the right thing to do if you feel that you are playing comfortably and adding chips to your stack. His shove on the turn was kind of strange, but since you raised his flop bet he might have figured that you would call of the rest.
  13. mdshack14 mdshack14 is offline

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    Dec 20th, 2010 (12/20/2010 9:45pm) in reply to Dcash82

    I'm not folding there.
     
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