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KK during Hand for Hand play on money bubble in 28K.

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  1. Edub Edub is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 4:14am)

    I got in a disagreement about whether or not this was the right play. We are playing hand for hand.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #3276283475: $28,000 Guarantee (24505643), Table 6 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:27:54 ET - 2007/08/17
    Seat 1: bigbeaver07 (7,160)
    Seat 2: belowmeclown (6,426)
    Seat 3: Love Boat Capt (21,490)
    Seat 4: SDedub (17,377)
    Seat 5: harmony52 (3,110)
    Seat 6: mymoneyman2 (5,990)
    Seat 7: Pineq (2,160)
    Seat 8: Rags2Richizz (5,749)
    Seat 9: th1 (12,200)
    bigbeaver07 antes 50
    belowmeclown antes 50
    Love Boat Capt antes 50
    SDedub antes 50
    harmony52 antes 50
    mymoneyman2 antes 50
    Pineq antes 50
    Rags2Richizz antes 50
    th1 antes 50
    SDedub posts the small blind of 250
    harmony52 posts the big blind of 500
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to SDedub [Kh Kd]
    mymoneyman2 has been disconnected
    mymoneyman2 has 15 seconds left to act
    mymoneyman2 has reconnected
    mymoneyman2 has 15 seconds left to act
    SDedub: exactly
    mymoneyman2 folds
    Pineq folds
    Rags2Richizz folds
    th1 folds
    Love Boat Capt: yeah, it worked, you are the mastewr
    bigbeaver07 folds
    belowmeclown calls 500
    Love Boat Capt raises to 1,000
    SDedub has 15 seconds left to act
    SDedub raises to 17,327, and is all in
    Love Boat Capt: bye now
    harmony52 folds
    belowmeclown folds
    Love Boat Capt calls 16,327
    SDedub shows [Kh Kd]
    Love Boat Capt shows [Ac Ad]
    *** FLOP *** [3c 9s 6s]
    *** TURN *** [3c 9s 6s] [Jh]
    *** RIVER *** [3c 9s 6s Jh] [Qh]
    SDedub shows a pair of Kings
    Love Boat Capt shows a pair of Aces
    Love Boat Capt wins the pot (36,104) with a pair of Aces
    SDedub: pfffaes
    SDedub: hued
    SDedub: fjef
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 36,104 | Rake 0
    Board: [3c 9s 6s Jh Qh]
    Seat 1: bigbeaver07 folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: belowmeclown folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: Love Boat Capt (button) showed [Ac Ad] and won (36,104) with a pair of Aces
    Seat 4: SDedub (small blind) showed [Kh Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
    Seat 5: harmony52 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: mymoneyman2 folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: Pineq folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: Rags2Richizz folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: th1 folded before the Flop
  2. sandler1860 sandler1860 is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 4:16am) in reply to Edub

    Someone is arguing that you should have folded KK because you were on the bubble? Punch this person for me, plz...........
     
  3. showtime90 showtime90 is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 4:16am) in reply to Edub

    Love Boat Capt: bye now

    assholes like this make 2 outer justice feel SOOOOO good its like secks

    i hate douches that do that
  4. Edub Edub is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 4:21am) in reply to sandler1860

    Yes their argument is that I should have raise to somewhere around 5k-6k and fold if they came over top since they would only do that with AA KK or AK. I laughed and said I would still call and never fold this. He said thats why "you suck."

    If there is any other way to play this I would love to know.
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  5. LeFlyingRat LeFlyingRat is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 4:23am) in reply to Edub

    Yawn, I hate your friends.
  6. pheisar pheisar is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 4:32am) in reply to Edub

    i think you should have reraised him 3-5 times his bet, and then act acordingly to his table image.
    he had a huge chiplead therefore he might have thought he was in position to slowplay, because he has no pressure with the blinds (M > 20), being able to discard if the board is scary. what do you think?
  7. Edub Edub is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 4:40am) in reply to pheisar

    ^^^you brought up same argument as the person i got into disagreement with. He said to raise him 3-5 times his bet also. If I do that and he re-raises I dont think Im going to fold. If he just calls and we see flop and no A hits Im still gonna put it all-in. I felt that a push would get rid of Ax-AQ since he is only left with 3k or so since i had a lot of chips too. AK and QQ might call too and I like my chances against those 2 hands. I thought it was obvious shove but maybe im wrong??
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  8. pheisar pheisar is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 4:49am) in reply to Edub

    maybe your play isnt bad, because in these specific situation its very likely that you win more then you lose, after all, he limps. But you have like second best stack, why risk everything with the only player that can flush your stack to the toilet?
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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 4:53am) in reply to Edub

    4k and call shove, just a cooler unless you have some sick read that this donk min raises AA for a living,
     
  10. Edub Edub is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 4:54am) in reply to pheisar

    he didnt limp. Cutoff limped then he min raised on button.

    Hes also the only player i can double off of with premium hand. Plus like i said I really liked KK if I got a call from QQ as i would have been top 3 in chips.

    Only one hand has be dominated so I think that it is bad excuse to fold because you have big stack.
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  11. pheisar pheisar is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 5:04am) in reply to darkcheck_

    4k and shove seems all right to me, at least you would put him out if he had a marginal hand.
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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 5:06am) in reply to pheisar

    Wouldnt he fold marginal hand for 16k more too...
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  13. busto_soon busto_soon is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 6:38am) in reply to Edub

    I think you're scaring away a lot of hands. Raise to 4-5k and watch 55 push over.
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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 6:41am) in reply to Edub

    if you raise to 5 or 6k and he shoves, and you put him on the range KK, AA or AK, then its still an easy call. You get dealt AK MUCH more than AA.
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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 8:26am) in reply to busto_soon

    So sounds like the best play would be to raise to 4-5k since that would get possible call or shove from weaker hand, and call his all-in raise everytime. Sounds good to me. thanks
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  16. People_Mover People_Mover is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 2:56pm) in reply to busto_soon

    betting 18K to win 2K with 2nd nuts. excellent strategy
     
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