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KK early in UB500, thoughts?

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  1. JohnnyBelow JohnnyBelow is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 1:58am)

    Stage #383028080 Tourney ID 5757506 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 20 - 2010-10-04 20:45:29 (ET)
    Table: 7 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - BUCKMYRAISE (4,180 in chips)
    Seat 2 - THEDODBLG (7,695 in chips)
    Seat 3 - MIRAGE666 (4,870 in chips)
    Seat 4 - JOHNNYBELOW (4,970 in chips)
    Seat 5 - ANTPLAYS (1,760 in chips)
    Seat 6 - BEATBOXED (4,970 in chips)
    Seat 7 - FORTUNE500AZ (5,195 in chips)
    Seat 8 - JOCOURIER (5,460 in chips)
    Seat 9 - TUNAFISH_TANK (5,900 in chips)
    FORTUNE500AZ - Posts small blind 10
    JOCOURIER - Posts big blind 20
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to JOHNNYBELOW [Kc Kh]
    TUNAFISH_TANK - Folds
    BUCKMYRAISE - Raises 60 to 60
    THEDODBLG - Folds
    MIRAGE666 - Raises 100 to 100
    JOHNNYBELOW - Raises 320 to 320
    ANTPLAYS - Raises 1,700 to 1,700
    BEATBOXED - Folds
    FORTUNE500AZ - Folds
    JOCOURIER - Folds
    BUCKMYRAISE - Folds
    MIRAGE666 - Raises 2,980 to 3,080
    JOHNNYBELOW

    Should add that the guy who makes it 1700 has 1760 total and is tilting.

    thoughts?
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  2. jtj03 jtj03 is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 2:05am) in reply to JohnnyBelow

    Q got to be how mirage will play AA with a player that is tilting at the table, Id give him a range of AA, AK, and QQ, after your 4b. So his range has one that crushes you and two you that you crush. Given its not some long multi day event i prob just call and chalk it up as a cooler if im beat and fire up another one

    Dont play 500's or on UB tho
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  3. Jason2890 Jason2890 is offline plays plo for overlays

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 2:06am) in reply to jtj03

    MIRAGE most likely has aces given the action. I wouldn't be too worried about ANTPLAYS, but I'd probably fold it given MIRAGE666's bet sizing. He re-minraised the first raise in the pot and then reraised after you and someone else raised behind him. I don't know if you have some sort of history with him, but with no reads I fold this.
  4. RollinFish RollinFish is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 2:11am) in reply to Jason2890

    Player putting last 1700 in pot is fish with wide range. You want to fold kings. /thread
  5. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 2:33am) in reply to RollinFish

     
    Originally Posted by RollinFish View Post

    Player putting last 1700 in pot is fish with wide range. You want to fold kings. /thread

    LMFAO did you even see the small 3bet by the guy before the tilted fish? apparently not. As for your HH....does he 3b that small with AA with stacks this deep? I'd go meh no and not fold unless he's really solid winning player and uber nit.
  6. MarleyGroup MarleyGroup is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 2:39am) in reply to bef99hwk

    given your reads on ANTSPLAYS, MIRAGES range has to include JJ QQ and AK if he is paying any attention, so cant really see a fold here.
     
  7. jinx_987 jinx_987 is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 2:50am) in reply to RollinFish

     
    Originally Posted by RollinFish View Post

    Player putting last 1700 in pot is fish with wide range. You want to fold kings. /thread

    And you should /life Mr Observant.
  8. ostrichman ostrichman is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 2:59am) in reply to jinx_987

    It's pretty ridiculous that no one has commented on the fact that we are in the first round or two of the tournament. I think it is pretty clear that folding KK here is slightly -EV, however given the situation and that Mirage is a relatively straightforward player, I believe it is a clear fold. You can't win the tournamnt in the first round and doubling up at this point doesnt help as much as busting hurts. Also, even if the other player is on tilt, that doesn't mean he can't also have a hand. Clear fold IMO, however, I probably call because I'm not good at folding KK preflop on UB.
     
  9. darkhawk-200 darkhawk-200 is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 3:13am) in reply to ostrichman

    any timing tells? probably folding, too deep and too early in a 500
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  10. DrDankRx23 DrDankRx23 is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 4:10am) in reply to darkhawk-200

    So mirage is 3b with AA from 60 to 100...with stacks this deep this early? Really?

     
    Originally Posted by MarleyGroup View Post

    given your reads on ANTSPLAYS, MIRAGES range has to include JJ QQ and AK if he is paying any attention, so cant really see a fold here.

    Agree with the guy that's no smoking as much bud and see things clearly now
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  11. revieceD revieceD is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 4:36am) in reply to DrDankRx23

    get it in if you don't mind busting 42% of the time, depends if you have the "I have a skill advantage and should preserve my stack" or the "take an early chip lead so i can afford to take a bad beat later" philosophy.
  12. Parky 32 Parky 32 is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 5:17am) in reply to revieceD

    I hate to fold KK but this might be the spot
     
  13. The Lab Rat The Lab Rat is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 5:46am) in reply to Parky 32

    I think its a close call based on the information you presented
    Edited By: The Lab Rat Oct 5th, 2010 at 05:51 AM
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  14. JohnnyBelow JohnnyBelow is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 6:06pm) in reply to The Lab Rat

    The fish had 96s, first guy had AA, I stacked off.. geeg

    96 won tho with 96 on flop.. :)
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  15. dude904 dude904 is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2010 (10/5/2010 6:27pm) in reply to JohnnyBelow

    i think this is a really easy fold if mirage is anything close to competent
     
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