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KK postflop in $.10/$.25

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  1. jaykay24 jaykay24 is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 2:13am)

    Would really appreciate some feedback here. Villain was playing a zillion tables and has air roughly 0% of the time.

    Something to notice is that i accidentally bet just enough so if the villain flats and the third guy in the hand shoves, its a legal raise and i'd be likely to try to squeeze out villain.

    What is the villain's range??

    Full Tilt Poker Game #14457194821: Table Holly Grove - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:20:19 ET - 2009/09/03
    Seat 1: Time2Broke ($13.71)
    Seat 2: Mastapupa ($25.35)
    Seat 3: CR7999 ($6.16) <-- third guy
    Seat 4: jaykay25 ($23.94) <-- HERO
    Seat 5: BaDonkaDonk7 ($86.37)
    Seat 6: dckill4 ($26.67)
    Seat 7: GoDrum ($26.33) <-- VILLAIN
    Seat 8: catchTheUrmel ($4.65)
    Seat 9: CertainBaboon ($38.24)
    jaykay25 posts the small blind of $0.10
    BaDonkaDonk7 posts the big blind of $0.25
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to jaykay25 [Kc Kd]
    dckill4 folds
    GoDrum raises to $0.85
    catchTheUrmel folds
    CertainBaboon folds
    Time2Broke folds
    Mastapupa folds
    CR7999 calls $0.85
    dckill4 has been disconnected
    dckill4 has reconnected
    jaykay25 raises to $2.50
    BaDonkaDonk7 folds
    GoDrum has 15 seconds left to act
    GoDrum calls $1.65
    CR7999 calls $1.65
    *** FLOP *** [7d 6s 3h]
    jaykay25 checks
    GoDrum bets $3.75
    CR7999 has 15 seconds left to act
    CR7999 folds
    CR7999 adds $1.34
    jaykay25 calls $3.75
    *** TURN *** [7d 6s 3h] [9d]
    jaykay25 checks
    GoDrum bets $20.08, and is all in
    jaykay25 has 15 seconds left to act
    jaykay25 has requested TIME
  2. xxd33pxx xxd33pxx is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 2:23am) in reply to jaykay24

    wow did you ever butcher this hand.....as played i doubt im folding. But I would def raise more pre, bet flop.
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  3. Brandon6176 Brandon6176 is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 2:43am) in reply to jaykay24

    Seriously , way under bet preflop IMO. Make it at least $4, prob $5 dollars is better.

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  4. poumi554 poumi554 is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 2:54am) in reply to Brandon6176

    You played it bad on flop but given that Im insta calling here: )
    Nice way to get him to put his stack in: )
  5. Yourangutang Yourangutang is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 2:57am) in reply to jaykay24

     
    Originally Posted by jaykay24 View Post


    Would really appreciate some feedback here. Villain was playing a zillion tables and has air roughly 0% of the time.

    Something to notice is that i accidentally bet just enough so if the villain flats and the third guy in the hand shoves, its a legal raise and i'd be likely to try to squeeze out villain.

    What is the villain's range??

    Full Tilt Poker Game #14457194821: Table Holly Grove - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:20:19 ET - 2009/09/03
    Seat 1: Time2Broke ($13.71)
    Seat 2: Mastapupa ($25.35)
    Seat 3: CR7999 ($6.16) <-- third guy
    Seat 4: jaykay25 ($23.94) <-- HERO
    Seat 5: BaDonkaDonk7 ($86.37)
    Seat 6: dckill4 ($26.67)
    Seat 7: GoDrum ($26.33) <-- VILLAIN
    Seat 8: catchTheUrmel ($4.65)
    Seat 9: CertainBaboon ($38.24)
    jaykay25 posts the small blind of $0.10
    BaDonkaDonk7 posts the big blind of $0.25
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to jaykay25 [Kc Kd]
    dckill4 folds
    GoDrum raises to $0.85
    catchTheUrmel folds
    CertainBaboon folds
    Time2Broke folds
    Mastapupa folds
    CR7999 calls $0.85
    dckill4 has been disconnected
    dckill4 has reconnected
    jaykay25 raises to $2.50
    BaDonkaDonk7 folds
    GoDrum has 15 seconds left to act
    GoDrum calls $1.65
    CR7999 calls $1.65
    *** FLOP *** [7d 6s 3h]
    jaykay25 checks
    GoDrum bets $3.75
    CR7999 has 15 seconds left to act
    CR7999 folds
    CR7999 adds $1.34
    jaykay25 calls $3.75
    *** TURN *** [7d 6s 3h] [9d]
    jaykay25 checks
    GoDrum bets $20.08, and is all in
    jaykay25 has 15 seconds left to act
    jaykay25 has requested TIME

    This hand was played terrible. Raise to about $3.50ish pre, shove all in or make a big reraise on the flop. Dont get cute with hands like this at these stakes.

    As played?? I'm almost definitely calling without a read but I'm guessing that you are either beat by some random hand that you should have gotten out of the hand like 8 10suited etc or got sucked out on by pocket 8s.
  6. Yourangutang Yourangutang is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 3:04am) in reply to Yourangutang

     
    Originally Posted by Yourangutang View Post

    This hand was played terrible. Raise to about $3.50ish pre, shove all in or make a big reraise on the flop. Dont get cute with hands like this at these stakes.

    As played?? I'm almost definitely calling without a read but I'm guessing that you are either beat by some random hand that you should have gotten out of the hand like 8 10suited etc or got sucked out on by pocket 8s.

    Actually, just reread your post. Still played terrible but if you say that he is playing mass volume??? and playing rock solid??? I fold. I dont need to give a range, your own read was clearly telling you that you were beat. He either just hit his straight or set or has 89 suited which you are flipping against. I dont see anything in his range that you really beat that justifies calling that kind of bet.

    If I had to guess I'd bet on the 89 suited but still.
  7. JokersOnYou JokersOnYou is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 11:11am) in reply to Yourangutang

    you are not flipping against 89 suited, you are ahead and should put your money in. But yah, as played, you did butcher this hand. Agreed that a raise of 4 or more should do the trick and please, for the love of god, don't smooth call the turn and get yourself in this mess.
     
  8. AlwaysImproving AlwaysImproving is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 11:22am) in reply to JokersOnYou

    i m folding, he has a set if he has a million tables up and views you as solid.
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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 11:23am) in reply to JokersOnYou

     
    Originally Posted by JokersOnYou View Post

    you are not flipping against 89 suited, you are ahead and should put your money in. But yah, as played, you did butcher this hand. Agreed that a raise of 4 or more should do the trick and please, for the love of god, don't smooth call the turn and get yourself in this mess.

    I said that I would guess 89 suited if I had to pick one hand but its really the only likely hand that I could see him having that doesnt crush KK here.
  10. sean614 sean614 is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 11:48am) in reply to Yourangutang

    lol I would hope someone playing a million tables is not showing up with 89s here too often.
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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 2:10pm) in reply to sean614

    Thanks very much for the responses. I wish I had results for you but I laid it down based on his initial bet size and position, his airtight/passive image, and my bet size.

    I put his range at AA exclusively b/c I thought he flatted pre thinking he would get the chance to get it all in pre when the third guy puts his stack in.

    So with a bigger raise preflop like to $4.5, if he flats, I'm moving in on any non A flop. If he 4-bet shoves... I guess its read-dependent.

    Can anyone else see him flatting my 3bet with JJ/QQ, and then waiting to see what I do when the third guy shoves? Post flop I think he plays JJ/QQ the same way...
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  12. JokersOnYou JokersOnYou is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 2:51pm) in reply to jaykay24

     
    Originally Posted by jaykay24 View Post

    Thanks very much for the responses. I wish I had results for you but I laid it down based on his initial bet size and position, his airtight/passive image, and my bet size.

    I put his range at AA exclusively b/c I thought he flatted pre thinking he would get the chance to get it all in pre when the third guy puts his stack in.

    So with a bigger raise preflop like to $4.5, if he flats, I'm moving in on any non A flop. If he 4-bet shoves... I guess its read-dependent.

    Can anyone else see him flatting my 3bet with JJ/QQ, and then waiting to see what I do when the third guy shoves? Post flop I think he plays JJ/QQ the same way...

    You're over thinking this wayyyyy too much bro.
     
  13. WildChild916 WildChild916 is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 3:36pm) in reply to jaykay24

    A) you played the hand bad, cbet the flop.

    B) I'm assuming you lost because your posting it.

    C) I call anyways.
  14. jaykay24 jaykay24 is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 4:05pm) in reply to WildChild916

     
    Originally Posted by WildChild916 View Post

    A) you played the hand bad, cbet the flop.

    B) I'm assuming you lost because your posting it.

    C) I call anyways.

    Not sure what this adds, but I already said I folded.

    A higher 3bet prolly wouldve kept it simple, and i think i wouldve folded to a 4bet shove pre there...
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  15. Diggs Diggs is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 5:21pm) in reply to jaykay24

     
    Originally Posted by jaykay24 View Post

    i think i wouldve folded to a 4bet shove pre there...

    No!
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