Field: 3700 - 170 left, 10+1 BI 6,8k for the winner
Hero (me): 120k chips
Villain (TAG): 145k chips play 15% of hands and showdown only monsters
Hero (UTG) Raise to 6500
Villain (BB) Re-raise to 19500
Hero re-raise to 58900
Villain re-raise shove all in
The question is: Is possible somebody here fold KK pre-flop? I knew he had AA, but unfortunely I call and I was right.
cooler. dont know where i ever fold kk pre. unless im more interested in the pay jumps than the win.
doubt im ever folding, but u should prob think about what ur trying to accomplish with ur 4bet
u obv think hes never 5bet shoving with worse so clearly u didnt do it to get him to stack off with worse, and tbh ur raise is to 60k with 60k behind, besides the fact that ur raise looks uber strong, if hes not willing to 5bet shove with a hand i think its safe to say hes not going to flat the 60k and evaluate flop and maybe fold to a half pot shove.
on the one hand u seem to imply hes never continueing with a worse hand when u raise, yet u make the raise, u dont want to be raising with KK and be hoping the guy folds, just makes no sense
i would do 1 of 2 things here, either shove which shouldnt look as strong as raising half ur stack and should make him feel more comfertable snapping with AK/QQ and maybe others. or if u still feel hes gona be folding worse hands if u shove, just flat and keep his whole range in play and try to extract the extra value from worse
but basicly most important is to be asking urself wat u want to accomplish with ur raise, if when ur about to raise u ask urself will he continue with QQ or AK and u feel the answer is no, then u might want to reconsider what ur about to do
When I 4-bet, I hope him fold or flat... for me shove on the flop. When he 5bet shove I knew that Im fucked! And I blame myself to dont know fold this hand, seems impossible to me... Exactly knowing his holding a AA.
On that situation, you make de call?
Once you start folding KK in a tournament you are losing value on them. Aside from a satty situation folding KK pre is a mistake. period.
great players make great laydowns...u knew the spot u were in, but didnt trust it. this isnt a cah game, and folding a potentially +ev hand in order to live longer in the tourny is sometimes a good play. the current thinking is not always right, and play styles trend as much as fashion does. right now, most are hooked on constantly pushing slight +ev at every situation possible. this is great in cash, but not always correct in many tournament situations imo. sometimes u just have to trust ur read and play accordingly, all the great players do...
and ditto on oske54's reply. the real mistake was made on the way u did the 4bet...
You just have to pay off AA when that happens. I'd watch this video if you're really thinking about folding pocket kings...
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