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KK real early in the 1k gross preflop situation

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  1. bigredAK bigredAK is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 7:23pm)

    pokerstars Game #13224705862: Tournament #66437130, $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/11/13 - 19:55:51 (ET)
    Table '66437130 26' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 2: jrss1322psu (3060 in chips)
    Seat 3: Prag (2990 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 4: isuckoutonu (2970 in chips)
    Seat 5: Tarakan1970 (2980 in chips)
    Seat 6: exposabre (3000 in chips)
    Seat 7: BillieD (3000 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 8: yoshdog22 (3000 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 9: bigredAK (3000 in chips)
    Tarakan1970: posts small blind 10
    exposabre: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to bigredAK [Kc Kd]
    BillieD: folds
    yoshdog22: folds
    bigredAK: raises 40 to 60
    jrss1322psu: folds
    Prag: folds
    isuckoutonu: folds
    Tarakan1970: raises 140 to 200
    exposabre: folds
    Prag is connected
    Prag has returned
    bigredAK: raises 300 to 500
    Tarakan1970: raises 2480 to 2980 and is all-in
    bigredAK: folds
    bigredAK said, "AA?"
    Tarakan1970 collected 1020 from pot
    Tarakan1970: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1020 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: jrss1322psu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Prag folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: isuckoutonu (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Tarakan1970 (small blind) collected (1020)
    Seat 6: exposabre (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: BillieD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: yoshdog22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: bigredAK folded before Flop

    So i wanted to know what people thought about the sizing of my 4 bet preflop, and ofcourse any other input would be appreciated.

    ty - bigredak
     
  2. UCBananaboy UCBananaboy is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 7:26pm) in reply to bigredAK

    Is the villain a regular at these stakes? Could easily be a donkey who satellited in and is looking for a quick double up -- it's always a possibility with all the satellites that stars has....

    Intersted to see his DB
  3. akajeff akajeff is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 7:26pm) in reply to bigredAK

    have you played with Tarakan1970 before?

    Good 4bet if u are considering folding to an all in so early. Seemed kinda small tho, maybe raise between 600-700 to show more strength, he could have come over top there with QQ, even KK, AA seems likely. Tough spot
  4. crapshot1 crapshot1 is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 7:34pm) in reply to akajeff

    the last time i was in this situation(not a $1000 buyin admittedly) i thought the only hand could be aa i called like a fool and he had aa. But yeah this early on seems almost inevitable, good laydown.
     
  5. LesW LesW is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 8:08pm) in reply to crapshot1

    I call here and he flips over AKs hits ace on the turn GG me.

    I think this early in any tournament you can't fold KK facing this kind of action. You get coolered so be it. Way to early to be putting people on AA and folding KK imo. Your actions do not represent KK more like JJ and look slike he has AKs QQ hand, he does not want you to call as the only thing that should call here is AA.

    So my reasons for calling is as the hand was played no one can put my on the KK and as his hand is played he should want action from the upper-mid strength hand you represent. I am sure he has Aks here.
  6. elendil elendil is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 9:16pm) in reply to LesW

    No offence Les, but this is a $1000 touney. I can't imagine anyone 5 betting with out a premium in this spot. I say good fold, the 4 bet was a good sized bet, I't didn't make price you in and I believe you got the info U wanted. Well played sir.
    P.s if he has less than aces there i tip my hat to him.
  7. Andy McLEOD Andy McLEOD is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 9:19pm) in reply to bigredAK

    i hate it

    4 bet size is fine.. more of a cash game play though where you'd be more likely to be mixing in bluffs.. like id make it a bit more for fear of giving away your hand with a tiny 4 bet, but its all finaccy, imo you HAVE to call shove though.. don't see how you can be so confident his range is AA only here.

    if you don't want to stack off with it pre then i'd be smooth calling his reraise rather than turning your hand into a bluff.
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  8. Kajun Kajun is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 9:20pm) in reply to elendil

    he could of been 6th level'ng him with 88-JJ... look at the guys DB...
  9. twistyaaaa twistyaaaa is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 9:25pm) in reply to Andy McLEOD

    i call
  10. WiserPenny WiserPenny is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 9:33pm) in reply to LesW

    IF there is a spot where you CAN fold KK preflop it is this early IMO...

    you call and lose you lose all your equity in th etournament

    you call and win you gain only a small amount of equity due to the large field...

    correct me if i'm wrong... but KK is stronger later than it is here....
  11. Lalak Lalak is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 9:46pm) in reply to bigredAK

    Good Fold. OBV he has AA there with how good you run.
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