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KK utg final table... just wanted to get some opinions

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  1. MOTORH3AD MOTORH3AD is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 8:12pm)

    This is a hand from a tournament that I played a couple weeks ago in Vegas and it actually cost me the tournament. It has bugged me for a couple weeks now thinking about how I played it and I keep telling myself a shove was the right play. $45 buy in with first place being $480 if I can remember, 30 people 3 tables and I make it to final table with a nice sized stack, I think I was about third in chips when this hand comes up. Excuse me for not knowing exact chip counts. I will post the first part of the hand then the conclusion after I get a couple responses... thanks guys

    Blinds 600-1200

    Seat 1
    Seat 2 Button
    Seat 3 SB
    Seat 4 BB short stack who is basically all in with BB post
    Seat 5 (hero) about 5.8k with KK
    Seat 6 about 7.5k
    Seat 7
    Seat 8
    Seat 9
    Seat 10

    I raise 3 BB for over half of my stack, seat 6 calls, everyone folds back to the small blind who pushes in his remainder, flop if i can remember was something like this:

    5 8 4

    Action to me I shoved in the remainder of my stack... part two to come
  2. DexterCain DexterCain is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 8:13pm) in reply to MOTORH3AD

    shove preflop
  3. MOTORH3AD MOTORH3AD is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 8:17pm) in reply to DexterCain

    Yeah... I went to the bathroom right after and while im pissing I just kept hearing this voice in my head saying "why didn't you shove that..." over and over.
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  4. staknchips83 staknchips83 is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 8:21pm) in reply to MOTORH3AD

    yeah should have shoved pre but if seat 6 is calling a 3600 bet im sure hell call 2k more. But yea you had 5 BB's thats an easy shove pre
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  5. warden warden is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 8:26pm) in reply to MOTORH3AD

    shoving pre and raising pre are basically the same thing

    gg
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  6. MOTORH3AD MOTORH3AD is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 9:38pm) in reply to MOTORH3AD

    Anyway, seat 6 had 88 and i was toast. Thanks for replying
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  7. BudmansCom BudmansCom is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 10:03pm) in reply to MOTORH3AD

    Your M < 3 --- there's only 1 move.
  8. grauela grauela is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 10:05pm) in reply to BudmansCom

    shove that shit, standard play.
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  9. The Deal The Deal is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 10:13pm) in reply to MOTORH3AD

    If I have less than 5 BB's and I get KK Im going all in every time
  10. MOTORH3AD MOTORH3AD is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 10:49pm) in reply to MOTORH3AD

    yea i noobed it... lesson learned
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  11. TheConArtist TheConArtist is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 10:51pm) in reply to The Deal

    Nice tourney structure.
  12. MattyTrane MattyTrane is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 11:37pm) in reply to MOTORH3AD

    M that low = shove
  13. I_Blade_U I_Blade_U is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 11:52pm) in reply to MattyTrane

    shove it pre and maybe he folds 88
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  14. born2winit born2winit is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2007 (9/20/2007 12:32am) in reply to I_Blade_U

    it was right to open raise rather than shove... you are 3rd in chips with only how many? 5 big blinds? i don't think you want to shove and get 88 to fold. you want to get callers in this situation. besides, who is folding 88 with that small of a stack anyway.

    wrong to discourage action with KK under these circumstances.

    you are going all in on the flop anyway... make it enticing for someone to come along.
  15. MOTORH3AD MOTORH3AD is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2007 (9/20/2007 1:28am) in reply to born2winit

    That was my original thought, i wasn't really expected a call from a medium PP though...
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  16. nw25th nw25th is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2007 (9/20/2007 10:04am) in reply to MOTORH3AD

    I think you played it great. I like to keep things standard, just so happens that variance caught up to you on that hand...as we all know, that's poker. GG
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  17. miko77q miko77q is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2007 (9/20/2007 4:46pm) in reply to nw25th

    lol @ entering FT with nice stack and being 3rd in chips with 5 bbs.
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  18. Akeshish Akeshish is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2007 (9/20/2007 5:12pm) in reply to MOTORH3AD

    since you M is so small, you dont have to many BB's you might as will just shove. Never the less you got all your money in with the best hand and you lost. You didnt play it badly just got a bad beat. Dont second guess yourself.
  19. weakone weakone is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2007 (9/20/2007 5:29pm) in reply to miko77q

    I was thinking the exact same thing, what a weird ass tourney structure if that's the case.
  20. msteitz12 msteitz12 is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2007 (9/20/2007 5:47pm) in reply to Akeshish

    I happen to agree with how you played your hand. I think you want action holding KK. It was a terrible structure for a tournament, so I wouldn't beat yourself up over it. If you get beat on the flop... oh well. If you've been playing at the FT for a while now and you've only been folding/shoving, then you absolutely shove as raising will show the strength of your hand.

    thats's just me..I take the risk. Chances are...88 doesn't fold anyway. No need to self-criticicize.
     
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