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Laid Down AA on the turn

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  1. trainwreck13 trainwreck13 is offline

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    May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 1:29pm)

    This hand took place is a live $2/$5 NLH game at ARIA in Las Vegas:

    Picked-up AA in the co and raised a limper in front to $25. The bu called and the field, including the initial limper folded. The flop came 7h5h4h. I c-bet for $35 and the bu called. The bu is a French guy who I have seen playing tournaments, sometimes very successfully, at the Bellagio. I have never seen him play or played with him in a cash game. In this particular session, he bought in for the max ($1,000) and had taken a big cooler and bad beat to lose his first buy-in when he had real hands. To this point, I hadnt seen him do anything out-of-line, although when his stack was very short, he did start shoving a lot and folding out the field for small pots. On one particular hand he got called down by ATo when he shoved K5o. Without more information I would attribute this to the way a tournament player plays a short stack. When the hand with me took place he was still short with $270 behind and trying to build his stack. He had been down to $80 at one point, so he had made some progress.

    Back to the hand: The turn was the 6d. From my perspective, this is an ugly turn. Im giving him credit for having a lot of hands that connect with this board and are now ahead of me in his range 76s, 65s, 88, 66. Its also possible that hes trapping with a made flush, the nuts or not. That said, there are a ton of hands that he could have that are strong drawing hands but arent there yet. I feel like I need to bet again to protect against all those draws, so I fired a second barrel for $85. Without much hesitation, but not in a particularly hurried way, he reraised all-in for another $125.

    Heres my thought process:

    <SPAN><SPAN>1)<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>Im getting better than 3:1 to call here so I only have to believe V would semi-bluff or bluff with air in this spot about 25% of the time to call

    <SPAN><SPAN>2)<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>He has to think Im pot committed based on the odds Im getting to call off for only another $125, so why would he throw his last $210 away on a bluff unless his draw was truly huge?

    <SPAN><SPAN>3)<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>The board is fuckin scary

    I concluded based on the information I had that he wouldnt put his chips in without a made hand 25% of the time bc the chances of getting anyone to fold an overpair getting these pot odds are so remote. I laid my hand down really believing that I was saving $125.

    Well, timing is everything, if I had been able to observe this player for just a couple more orbits I would never have laid this down, but based on the information I had to that point, I thought it was the correct play.

    He showed KdJh and that was all I needed to know about him although he then proceeded to bluff off his the rest of his 1<SUP>st</SUP> buy-in, a 2<SUP>nd</SUP> buy-in (for the max again) and most of his third buy-in until he topped it off. When the next hand I played with him took place, he was in the game for $3,500.

    With no reads when this hand took place except that V appeared to be aggressive, was this a calling spot regardless, or was a fold reasonable? In retrospect, my thinking is somewhat clouded by the kind of player that this V turned out to be instead of what I knew about him when I made the lay down, which was that he was aggressive, had been successful in some tournaments, was French and seemed to show up with hands.
  2. Coach_Bombay33 Coach_Bombay33 is offline

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    May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 3:04pm) in reply to trainwreck13

    I probably would have folded as well. 4 to a straight on board and 3 hearts. Not really the best board for your hand.
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    May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 4:07pm) in reply to trainwreck13

    That it was "only $125" more would make me want to call so bad, but I'd probably let it go too. That's a sick draw heavy board and I wouldn't put it past a tilty player to show up here with a monster.
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    May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 5:41pm) in reply to trainwreck13

    very tough decision, if it was me playing knowing what you knew from seeing him play from time to time i think i would have called, for one exactly what you said, you were getting 3-1 on your money and also he always seems to get beat when he has premium hands, before i finished reading i had him on QQ's but reading is one thing and being in front of the cards is another. Very tough board though for your AA's
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    May 24th, 2010 (5/24/2010 2:28pm) in reply to hendo3

    Here's what you need to do. Pot the flop. You decided to bet the turn, this turn bet would have committed you if you potted the flop, not allowing him to bluff you, and if he did anyway, you are already committed entirely and you would have snapped off his bluff. With such a scary flop, you need to bet large in order to properly commit yourself on almost any turn. IMO, with the 6 as the turn, I check fold.
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    May 24th, 2010 (5/24/2010 3:39pm) in reply to stock break

    did you have the Ah?
     
  7. trainwreck13 trainwreck13 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 2:21am) in reply to stock break

     
    Originally Posted by stock break View Post

    Here's what you need to do. Pot the flop. You decided to bet the turn, this turn bet would have committed you if you potted the flop, not allowing him to bluff you, and if he did anyway, you are already committed entirely and you would have snapped off his bluff. With such a scary flop, you need to bet large in order to properly commit yourself on almost any turn. IMO, with the 6 as the turn, I check fold.

    Agree with your suggestion for check/folding the turn. AA has only 48% equity vs. 2 randoms on this board and many hands that I beat will check it down any way.
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 2:23am) in reply to l3iRdMaN

     
    Originally Posted by l3iRdMaN View Post

    did you have the Ah?

    No. This is a snap call with Ah...
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 10:48am) in reply to trainwreck13

     
    Originally Posted by trainwreck13 View Post


    No. This is a snap call with Ah...

    similar to what someone said in a previous post, pot the flop. the way you've set up the hand is that you've made a very awkward bet/fold situation on the turn when you're getting a sick price without much equity.
     
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    May 29th, 2010 (5/29/2010 11:49pm) in reply to l3iRdMaN

    french u say? ehhhh ez call my friend
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