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Last year it was Wasicka's straight flush draw. This year?

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  1. Stu Hunger Stu Hunger is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:02pm)

    So which hands from this year's final table coverage did you find most interesting?

    I felt, that of the couple of dozen hands shown over the two episodes, at least half of them had one or more players grossly misplaying their hand.

    But the one I found most interesting was a much more marginal spot. Alex Kravchenko, after battling back from the short stack to a 20m stack, open raised to 2.1m at 300k/600k (I think) with AK from the small blind and called when Jerry Yang's moved all in. For me, that bet screams small pair and you can mix in a few worse ace hands and total bluffs to give Kravchenko,I would say, at most 60% equity in the pot. Jerry seemed like a sitting duck to me and Kravchenko was arguably playing the best at that time, there's no way I would've called there.
  2. AJKHoosier1 AJKHoosier1 is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:03pm) in reply to Stu Hunger

    joke post?
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  3. DexterCain DexterCain is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:07pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    at the risk of being levelled folding AK wouldve been really terrible in that spot after what yang had shown down
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:09pm) in reply to Stu Hunger

    theres 4 left. u are ready gonna win 1 million+ . look down see ace king u raise it up, bam huge donkey who had bluuffed constantly reraises from 3 million to 23 million . u know what mayble i fold. lol im calling that fuckin fish all day and twice on sunday with ace king. no doubt .no delay.all the time everytime. esp live. i would erase thispost if i were you cus u r gonna get your balls broken a lot.
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:09pm) in reply to DexterCain

    Insta-call for me.
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:36pm) in reply to Stu Hunger

    OP, you so crazy!
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:39pm) in reply to Stu Hunger

    You can't just 'mix in a few worse aces' in there, you have to open up Jerry's range much more than that. In a very similar situation he raised all-in against Lee Child's raise with J8 suited (and spiked an 8 because God loves him more). I think he is probably around 60% against Jerry's range and there is a ton of money in the pot as well. I am almost positive that Kravchenko had less than 20 million when he started the hand, but even if he did this is too large of an edge to pass up. Kravchenko had a clear edge in skill over Yang and he should have certainly been avioding taking a small edge for all of his money, but this is not a small edge as folding would be -EV many millions of chips.
     
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:45pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    1 word guys, INSTA
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:48pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    Kravchenko raised to 2.1m at 300k/600k and it was 20.8m more to call all in. I wouldn't go as far as to say there'a ton of dead money in the pot. Don't get me wrong, I'd snap call in a cash game. But there are more things to consider here.
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:49pm) in reply to Stu Hunger

    I thought Lee's QQ against Jerry's JJ was an interesting hand. Even though I thought Lee took the worst line possible, I was watching the Pay Per View and once he led and gets shoved on, I really couldn't see his hand being any good. It was very early in the final table and there was no reason to believe that Jerry was any different from the day before when he was a relatively passive player without any experience with big money or being on TV, so it would be safe to assume that Jerry would get more passive at the final table, which obviously didn't happen. I really thought Jerry had Aces or Kings there at the time as I watching that hand and then as the tournament progressed and I saw the horrible call with J10 and the hyper aggresive shove with J8 suited and other hands, I realized that Lee's Queens just got a whole lot stronger and were much more likely to be good.
     
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:50pm) in reply to Stu Hunger

    No, there really isn't. Not meaning to be a dick, but Yang's range there can definitely include broadway and Ax in a blindbattle. You aren't going to find many better spots at all, since Yang is never going to have AA/KK.

    Anyways, the only interesting LOL hand was Lee Childs absolutely butchering QQ vs. Yang.
     
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 6:56pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    ^^^^^ what he said
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 7:07pm) in reply to jfiiue4

    QQ vs JJ was definitely the key hand. If Lee calls, he becomes chipleader and Yang is eliminated. Instead, he shies away, Yang wins a huge pot and rides the wave until the end while Lee never recovers and goes out soon after.
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 7:24pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    Yang went allin over a raise and reraise with A4 on day 5. He reraised Childs' early position raise with A7s from small blind. These all happened before this hand. I wouldn't call him a relatively passive player. I don't understand why Lee could pull the trigger with 10 10 but couldn't with QQ. I think the huge money on the line and being at the ME final table got to him.
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 7:44pm) in reply to andrechiu

    the QQ vs JJ hand changed the outcome of the Ft more than anyother hand
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 7:51pm) in reply to jalman1

    As bad as Jerry Yang played, everyone at the final table played really bad except for Kravchenko and he was out of position against Jerry. Hilm and Lam, 2 decent if not good players had position on him and never exploited it. Hilm played 2 big pots against Yang out of position with marginal hands (KQ and 8 5 suited), which included calling a 4x and a 8x raise from Yang.
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 8:00pm) in reply to flmodesq21

    come on it didnt matter, yang was destined to win this, and deserving so after hearing his story
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 8:08pm) in reply to jalman1

    Based on how well Jerry ran, though, what's to say he wouldn't have hit a J on the turn or river to win if Lee had called? A 10% chance of that happening regardless.
     
  19. DexterCain DexterCain is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 8:13pm) in reply to takenbones

    please be joking
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 9:20pm) in reply to mkvandy03

    lol
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 9:30pm) in reply to Stu Hunger

    "Yang went allin over a raise and reraise with A4 on day 5. He reraised Childs' early position raise with A7s from small blind. These all happened before this hand. I wouldn't call him a relatively passive player."

    I didn't watch all of the coverage from before. Did Yang show these hands? I only remember a few hands from the end where he always had a good hand for the situation. The impression given by the announcers at the begginnig of the PPV was that Yang was passive and that he would be not be willing to risk his stack without a big hand. Maybe they just thought this because he had no previous big cashes and each jump in the pay scale meant more to him than most of the others (I know it meant a ton to everyone, but that was the impression that I had, maybe it was just a sterotype). My Dad is a very Christian Man (he would think what Yang was doing was as disgusting as I do) but a very aggressive businessman and he has always been underestimated as passive or weak or something like that because of his strong faith. This has been a great benefit to him and I think it was to Yang before everyone knew what was going on when he turned over the J8.
     
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 10:41pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    I think there is a HUGE jump in the value of AK vs AQ, and I would instacall with AQ in the spot being discussed. AK is such an ez call
     
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    Oct 10th, 2007 (10/10/2007 10:51pm) in reply to Stu Hunger

    i haven't seen the espn coverage, only the PPV, and I haven't read the posts in this thread besides the OP, but I would say that there is absolutely no doubt that the key/most interesting/a person playing scared costing themselves money (like wasicka) was the Lee Childs QQ hand, if he doesnt completely butcher that hand in all likelihood Jerry Yang would not be the world champ.
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    Oct 11th, 2007 (10/11/2007 1:53am) in reply to Stu Hunger

    what are you worried about in this position? his range is HUGE and if you really analyze the hand is it that likely that he would shove 20+M more with AA or KK? Why wouldn't he try to put in a smaller raise like 6-7M with that type of hand to trap? The fact that his range is so huge and that not many people will make that play with AA\KK makes this an instacall
     
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    Oct 11th, 2007 (10/11/2007 1:55am) in reply to Stu Hunger

    Die?
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    Oct 11th, 2007 (10/11/2007 2:54am) in reply to Stu Hunger

    no there isn't.

    call or ur forever a NL pussy and should quit the game of poker and prob slit ur wrists.
      

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    Oct 11th, 2007 (10/11/2007 5:23am) in reply to Stu Hunger

    LOL @ ever folding here
     
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    Oct 11th, 2007 (10/11/2007 1:19pm) in reply to Tim0thee

    I hate Wasicka's fold 10 times more than Lee's fold. a much worse fold in my opinion.
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