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  1. sotti sotti is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2007 (6/21/2007 6:13pm)

    POKERSTARS GAME #10550107473: TOURNAMENT #53443196, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IV (50/100) - 2007/06/21 - 17:04:27 (ET)
    Table '53443196 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: Werther0 (2195 in chips)
    Seat 4: Scorpion_Lev (2125 in chips)
    Seat 5: obiwansotti (1365 in chips)
    Seat 6: doubleboast (1105 in chips)
    Seat 7: phillymick17 (1255 in chips)
    Seat 8: EnglishLad72 (2315 in chips)
    Seat 9: BellaLobo (3140 in chips)
    Scorpion_Lev: posts small blind 50
    obiwansotti: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to obiwansotti [Qd Kc]
    doubleboast: folds
    phillymick17: folds
    EnglishLad72: folds
    BellaLobo: folds
    Werther0: raises 200 to 300
    Scorpion_Lev: folds
    obiwansotti: raises 1065 to 1365 and is all-in
    Werther0: calls 1065
    *** FLOP *** [Tc 9s Ac]
    *** TURN *** [Tc 9s Ac] [Kd]
    *** RIVER *** [Tc 9s Ac Kd] [4s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    obiwansotti: shows [Qd Kc] (a pair of Kings)
    Werther0: shows [Ad 5c] (a pair of Aces)
    Werther0 collected 2780 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2780 | Rake 0
    Board [Tc 9s Ac Kd 4s]
    Seat 2: Werther0 (button) showed [Ad 5c] and won (2780) with a pair of Aces
    Seat 4: Scorpion_Lev (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: obiwansotti (big blind) showed [Qd Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
    Seat 6: doubleboast folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: phillymick17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: EnglishLad72 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: BellaLobo folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Am I wrong that his call was totally insane?
    Was my push that bad a play?
  2. ChicagoAPA ChicagoAPA is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2007 (6/21/2007 6:19pm) in reply to sotti

    Pushing with KQ to a preflop raiser=INSANE. and calling with A5=Arag also=INSANE.

    Never push to a preflop raiser with KQ.....if u get called....most of the time they have Ace rag and ur beat PF.
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    Jun 21st, 2007 (6/21/2007 6:34pm) in reply to sotti

    KQ is about 40% to Ace rag, not much worse off than two overcards to an under pair (55/45). If figure he's only getting. 1.61:1 on his money.

    I thought since I could make the money odds so bad, and that one would assume I'd only make this play with a strong Ace or a PP, that Ace rag would lay down. Since his pot odds suck and if he loses he's out, guess he wanted to gamble.
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    Jun 21st, 2007 (6/21/2007 6:55pm) in reply to sotti

    I believe u should have folded. IMO
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    Jun 21st, 2007 (6/21/2007 7:00pm) in reply to Chip Daddy

    do you ever try to resteal?

    I would think that I have a perftect type of hand for a resteal, good agaisnt Ace rag, good against a middle pocket pair. If I have AK, AQ, QQ, KK, AA then it's not a resteal.
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    Jun 21st, 2007 (6/21/2007 7:01pm) in reply to Chip Daddy

    you guys are being really results oriented IMO

    folds to the button who's raising with a huge range of hands, KQ can EASILY be the best hand here, i like the shove because the initial raiser is getting less than 2-1 and can afford to fold and still be in ok shape.

    i really dislike his call with A5 he has to put you on just a complete resteal to make that call, not sure how aggressive you were during this sng that maybe you had a laggy image and therefore would get called down lighter...
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    Jun 21st, 2007 (6/21/2007 7:07pm) in reply to NetFan44

    This was my very first raise in the sng, and I was only the second time I voluntairly put chips in the pot.

    when I imported the hand into poker tracker I could see the guy who busted me here was the very next one out. :(
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    Jun 21st, 2007 (6/21/2007 8:14pm) in reply to sotti

    I like the push. You have fold equity, and he should fold most holdings. But you are in a donk -n-go, so you can't expect them to make logical decisions. He probably though, "I have an Ace, wooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooo." Even if he does call, you will probably be facing a pp or a weak ace, or have him crushed.

    Good play
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    Jun 21st, 2007 (6/21/2007 8:24pm) in reply to Prfsr_Cain

    yeah I checked him out on Sharkscope, he's stuck $800 over 300 games.
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    Jun 22nd, 2007 (6/22/2007 1:38am) in reply to sotti

    u scoped him be4 u pushed? u r giving him bout 2 to 1 to make the call, so attempting a resteal is fine if you can get him to fold.

    he should open fold a5 honestly, and it should be folded to you, where you make a standard 3x and everyone folds and you pick up the blinds.

    but he didnt

    so you should fold
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    Jun 22nd, 2007 (6/22/2007 1:09pm) in reply to POKER_PANDA

    In a MTT this is a fine 're-steal' even though it is probably the best hand. In a SNG you need to fold. ICM clearly has this as a fold, shoving is -EV as you will only get called if you are beat and there is no reason to race.
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    Jun 22nd, 2007 (6/22/2007 1:23pm) in reply to kamakazmeee

    He must've used an old 'Jedi Mind trick' on you and sensed that his A no-kicker was actually good.

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    Jun 22nd, 2007 (6/22/2007 1:32pm) in reply to TrickyClicky

    If this is a one table s&g I am really not a fan of this play. I think a preflop fold is correct here.

    his call is super donkish,though.
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