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**THE LESS PUBLICIZED AND KNOWN SUPERUSER SCANDAL**

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  1. Jovial Gent Jovial Gent is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 5:50pm)

    This is more than likely a repost, but I feel this is a very, very important topic that everyone who doesn't already know should know about. Myself, I found out about this very late and I feel there are very many others in my boat that didn't hear about this.

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ad.php?t=99247

    Cliffnotes: Superusers on UB take millions from the HSNL games.

    Severely compelling evidence has been provided, but UB remains silent and unresponsive about the cheating that took place.
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  2. The Precedent The Precedent is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 5:56pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    its been stickied on 2+2 forever now
  3. Jovial Gent Jovial Gent is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 5:58pm) in reply to The Precedent

    Not everyone who reads p5s reads 2p2.
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  4. PearlJammer PearlJammer is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:05pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    This is why I and my horses quit UB (and AP) a few months ago.
    510 4
  5. Fife19 Fife19 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:09pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    I havnt seen the thread, although Ive heard a little about this. Pretty scary seeing that obv PotRipper wasnt an isolated incident. Even scarier that UB wont even acknowledge these allegations, yet are clearly following the thread on 2+2 very closely.

    Makes you wonder how many of these accounts are out there. Smarter players could make an absolute killing without ever being detected.
  6. StaggerLee StaggerLee is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:12pm) in reply to PearlJammer

    ^^^^ We need more top ranked, respected players to make a public stand like that. We need to show that self-regulation works.
  7. BigGunX BigGunX is offline Mr OT Party

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:15pm) in reply to StaggerLee

    Does it, though?
     
  8. The Precedent The Precedent is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:23pm) in reply to BigGunX

    NO.. even if every top 1000 internet player boycotted ub there would still be basically same avg volume of players at any given time playing.
  9. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:27pm) in reply to The Precedent

    If people want to continue playing on sites that allow superusers to take their money, I'm not going to stop them. AP has been exposed, people now know what goes on there and can decide on their own if they want to continue playing there. I for one have no interest in doing so.
  10. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:33pm) in reply to kmil420

    With hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake and seeming immunity from US law, I'm not surprised these poker rooms are involved in this shady activity. I'd guess most are guilty until proven innocent, but most people just assume that these companies are ethical.
  11. fishm0nger fishm0nger is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:36pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    This can't be posted enough imo.

    (not being sarcastic)
  12. TheWacoKidd TheWacoKidd is offline haters gonna hate

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:40pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    obv haven't played on AP since the scandal, and haven't played on UB either since I saw this thread on 2+2 awhile back... fuck em
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  13. camdenluv3r camdenluv3r is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:41pm) in reply to PearlJammer

     
    Originally Posted by PearlJammer View Post

    This is why I and my horses quit UB (and AP) a few months ago.

    Yet you played on AP for months after the whole *potripper* scandal came out? LOL

    Sorry, I couldn't help myself...
     
  14. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:49pm) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    On a semi-related note, does mypokerintel.com only work for UB? Is there any site where I can find my cashgame statistics on stars?
  15. swd805 swd805 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:50pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    how dope would it be if someone wore an anti UB shirt at a televised table.
  16. bettntibetn bettntibetn is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 6:51pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    probably a good time for a repost considering all this new UB hype by annie duke. I don't care how nice the schedule looks i'm not going to put money on a site associated with super user accounts.
  17. apestyles apestyles is offline Moderator

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:05pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    yea, the players need compensation.... was just talking to arbianight about this.
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  18. Passiveplay Passiveplay is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:10pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    Why not stop the tournament points from counting if they were won on a site known for cheating? It's not fair to punish people who have been playing, but maybe give a weeks notice after that stop counting AP and UB points on the pocketfives.com rankings.
     
  19. Hanashk Hanashk is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:23pm) in reply to Passiveplay

    The fact that Annie Duke has been posting here w/ more frequency as of late due to their new schedule and wont even utter a peep about any of this, just makes them look worse and worse IMO. Even if she was told not to talk about it.
  20. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:23pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    What a joke UB is. Instead of trying to get to the bottom of this they hire Annie to come on here and smooze everyone into opening UB accts and pump their new t'ment schedule. What a bunch of clowns. I hope this gets more exposure, those who were cheated get compensated and UB gets shut down.
  21. SeRvE_VolleY SeRvE_VolleY is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:28pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    just a side note: when partypoker was around for everyone...were any of these scandals attached to them? sorry new to site.....and obv brag post about being able to play there...lol..but did they have any security issues?
  22. StaggerLee StaggerLee is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:31pm) in reply to BigGunX

    You're right- The continued existence of AP and UB shows that it does not work. I should say that if the community did completely boycott AP & UB, then we would have demonstrated that self-regulation is possible. Instead, we are inviting the government to get involved and showing poker sites there's not much of a downside to cheating.
  23. ICEMAN4-16 ICEMAN4-16 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:37pm) in reply to StaggerLee

    LOL...You need someone to be ranked to get thru to you that cheating goes on!! Proof submitted is not sufficient enough. What would have you done if PearlJammer did not respond, flame the poster of this subject. The problem with so many is that they feel the need to look up to people who are ranked because they are the wise ones, the chosen ones to lead the poker world. This crap with online will continue and I would not be surprised if some of the so called chosen ones are behind the scenes working the scheme.

    ICE
  24. EddieO EddieO is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:40pm) in reply to SeRvE_VolleY

    I dont think I will ever deposit on UB/AP ever again. Until there is some form of legitimate 3rd party regulatory body there's no way they can be trusted the way these 2 events have unfolded.
  25. spiderweb80 spiderweb80 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:50pm) in reply to EddieO

    yeah I heard they caught a cheater @ the Bellagio the other day, im thru w/ that place..

    spider
     
  26. Popperhead Popperhead is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 8:09pm) in reply to spiderweb80

    good 1
  27. swd805 swd805 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 8:12pm) in reply to spiderweb80

    if bellagio tried to cover it up would u still play there?
  28. PearlJammer PearlJammer is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 8:12pm) in reply to camdenluv3r

     
    Originally Posted by camdenluv3r View Post


     
    Originally Posted by PearlJammer View Post


    This is why I and my horses quit UB (and AP) a few months ago.

    Yet you played on AP for months after the whole *potripper* scandal came out? LOL

    Sorry, I couldn't help myself...

    Um, no. I quit AP immediately after the potripper scandal. About 4 months later after talking with Mark Seif and feeling a lot better about things there, I played there again. I only played there a few weeks and then gave it up again.
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  29. ch1pwrecked ch1pwrecked is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 8:21pm) in reply to swd805

    What do top Ultimate Bet HSNL cash gamers like Green Plastic think about this kind of thing?
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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 8:32pm) in reply to Jovial Gent

    i dont think i'll ever play on that site again.
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