I never want to see another post that says Rush is going to ruin online poker because all the fish will lose their money or will learn the game .

Why are fish, fish?

Because, people who are fish and remain fish just don't understand poker, period. Often they don't put much work into understanding it, most of them play for fun with expendable incomes. Will they lose their money faster at Rush? Yes, of course, they lose x$ per hand, they see more hands, therefore they lose faster in real time. Will all fish lose all their money??? let's put it this way, if rush makes poker 3x faster, then fish will lose their money 3x faster, all we have to do is look back and see how long it took for fish to lose all their money in b&m casinos or online poker and do some simple math.

Let's see...hmmm....what's 3 times faster than NEVER? Poker has been around a long time and even online poker has been around many years and there are STILL FISH. There are new ones old ones red ones blue ones. They are not going to just dry out in a few weeks or even months or YEARS because of Rush.

Also, Rush is not just one big break even-wait for a big handament. Fish in std cash games aren't fish because they are impatient and just can't wait for those AA so they have to stack off with K10. They just DON'T GET IT. They don't get hand ranges, or position, they can't fold losing hands, or sometimes fold too many winning hands. They can't take stands against c-bets or 3b light (or they 3b too light, etc.) All these leaks will STILL occur, just faster for us!

Variance did not get bigger, it just got faster. We are not being raked more, just more often. It is up to each of us how many hands we want to log and I guarantee 10k hands at std tables and 10k at Rush will yield the same variance and the same rake, but Rush just SAVES TIME.

So please people, use some common sense. Rush is great, Rush let's part-time grinders like me log some real volume. Rush can only HELP winning players.

Flame away obv,

Mic

YES!

Afink. Come on, you know better than this. What you are experiencing is POKER. People go on year long bad runs of variance, even in Rush the equivalent could theoretically last months. You KNOW that there is nothing inherent in Rush itself that is making you more unlucky somehow. You know this.

 

Originally Posted by gamble153

If you think the tables have not gotten harder over the last 4 or 5 years than your just blind. The fish do dissipate and the games will get tougher, especially if you do it at a higher rate. The sites answer to this in earlier years was creating micro limits. Surely you remember the days before that.

Bottom line is it does not matter what resource you tap, if you tap it to fast it will dissapear. this happens in everything in life. examples...lobsters, deer, fishing, social security, your wife shopping from yo bank account.

This is not a sky's the limit scenario. If you want to cash in on rush poker than do it now, cause time has shown it won't last.

This my friend is COMMON SENSE

Gamble, I agree the tables have gotten harder, but I suspect a lot of it had to do with red tape that was introduced to deter people from depositing. Therefore a lot of losing recreational players didn't want to bother, while serious grinders looked for any way to get around it.
Also, I said that these fish WILL LOSE THEIR MONEY FASTER. But that doesn't mean all fish in online poker will run out. There will ALWAYS be fish that keep playing 'cause A: They can afford it and have fun doing it and don't mind losing B: They actually think they are good and are just unlucky, so they will keep trying to prove that they can win, or C: They are addicted. These attributes don't magically disappear just because everything happens faster.
Besides, even if we grant that winning players might not make as much $/hand if the fields in Rush are tougher, I think this will be well compensated for by how many more hands you can see. I would much rather make more $/h than optimize my equity per hand.

I see what your saying but I still dont think the recreational player is concerned with playing but loads of hands per hour, they are strictly there for the enjoyment. I still think your gonna wind up with a field of grinders in which you all cannot win so it will weed out the average or "unlucky" player and they will just go back to what they was winning at.

I just cant see how this can stay "juicy" for you guys that crush it. Its obv a new fad and people want to try it so it will be hot, for a little while

 

Originally Posted by time4badbeat

You do realize that bad poker players don't reproduce right? For the fish that don't like RUSH and feel it is too fast or they aren't getting entertainment bang for their buck they still have normal games.

You are explaining my point even further as to why rush will not be the next explosion, just a short fad

 

Originally Posted by gamble153

I see what your saying but I still dont think the recreational player is concerned with playing but loads of hands per hour, they are strictly there for the enjoyment. I still think your gonna wind up with a field of grinders in which you all cannot win so it will weed out the average or "unlucky" player and they will just go back to what they was winning at.

I just cant see how this can stay "juicy" for you guys that crush it. Its obv a new fad and people want to try it so it will be hot, for a little while

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, because I think recreational players will LOVE it. They get more of what they love about the game. More hands, faster.
Also, even if they are just 1 tabling Rush they are losing equity similar to 3 tabling std games, whereas these people will prob still only be 1 tabling a std game. So in rush they are spewing that much faster and so it is just that much more important to get in on it. But I still doubt the well will completely run dry. Again, 3 times faster than never, is still never (or whatever, you know what I mean).

 

Originally Posted by Micdiddy

Afink. Come on, you know better than this. What you are experiencing is POKER. People go on year long bad runs of variance, even in Rush the equivalent could theoretically last months. You KNOW that there is nothing inherent in Rush itself that is making you more unlucky somehow. You know this.

Its all good. Im pretty much breaking even. Should be a nice rakeback deposit next friday though.. :)

 

Originally Posted by Niceguy

Rush poker is fun, for eve-ry-one.

Practice avoidance.
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