1.) I have never claimed that any site is "rigged".

2.) I specifically believe that NO SITE IS RIGGED. It would seem absolutely ridiculous that a site would ever want to tilt results to favor one player. If anything, If I owned a poker site and wanted to "rig" it, I would specifically make it so that there were no big winners or losers.... that everyone kept playing at the site and I would just bleed rake from players over time, and count on them continuously depositing...

3.) I DO HOWEVER ADMIT THAT NONE OF US IS AN EXPERT ON HOW A RNG WORKS ! Therefore when I notice what seems like an anomolie, I post about it... understand? If im a quack, then so are many others that noticed the same quadzilla effect at stars recently.

4.) I have made a good living via online poker, so it is in my best interest to always support it, but I do believe that always being open to observe events and making carefull observations about what is happening around me, well, heck, that's just smart.

5.) I remember when everyone was in shock that some guy had figured out that the RNG wasn't being continuously run at the Keno operations in Atlantic City, instead it was being reset. He used this information to crush the Keno games in Atlantic City because he KNEW what numbers were coming... It wasn't "rigged", he just figured out a flaw in the operation.

6.) I remember when the pick six was "fixed" during the breeders cup races, by several very smart individuals who figured out how to make wagers AFTER the race was already over. Had they been smart enough to construct a beleivable wagering ticket, they would never have been caught.

7.) I would never had thought it possible the stock brokers on wall street had figured out a way to trade after the market was closed, and make tenths of cents on transactions turn into hundreds of millions of dollars thru dummy shell accounts, that is until Elliott Spitzer uncovered, and prosecuted these individuals.

My point is, information is information. Look at it, dissect it, chew it up and spit it out... do what you want with it. The truth is we are all outsiders looking in when it comes to online poker, and it behooves us all to constantly try to understand what it is that we are participating in....

So, for the last time, ONLINE POKER IS NOT RIGGED, but i choose to examine statistical anomolies very closely as I want to always remain open to understanding the hows and whys of the world we live in!

Gl all,

Chris.

Oh, I also challenge all of you to heads up matches, as I am obligated to do so under the laws of poker.

Oh, and also, I will never post on here again.

Oh, and I am taking my football and going home.

And ummm F Beanie.

Chris,

I noticed in your bio that you used to work in the car business. Are you still involved in it at all or do you play poker full time. Just curious as I am a GM out here on the east coast of Florida and wanted to see if you are attending the NADA convention as it is in Orlando this year.

Andrew/Flcarguy

Isn't it funny that any post examing the legitimacy of an off shore and unregulated industry is dismissed as paranoia...The opposite should be true..we should be asking questions...

And No...I dont think Online Poker is Rigged...but there are some legit concerns...and almost anything can be beaten by the right minds...

It's off-the-chart sad that no regulation exist for online poker players. It's coming though in Sweden and if a success it will follow in other European countries. These countries will then form a regulated network. Everybody expects though that the Swedish solution will suck beyond comprehension.

Nevertheless, pokerstars is up for sale soon:
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/...969260,00.html

Smart move on their part..To sell now while the market is hot

One potential merger partner is 888 Holdings, which in September followed in the footsteps of PartyGaming in floating on the London Stock Exchange with a value of almost �600 million. Like pokerstars, 888 is controlled by Israeli interests, the Shaked and Ben Yitzhak families.

888 Holdings...are they the owners of Pacific Poker?? If so, may not bode well for party's future format, service, etc.

Willo, your post is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Pacific is rigged

I was just joking. I was going to open a account on pacific this week but I don't think I will now. Scared to sent money to Israel, may have feds show up at the door. Cops come everyother week anyway do to the drunkin crazyness. WooHaaa!

As for the original topic,

This is over-simplifying but, for those of you who remember Space Invaders and Pac-Man...the bonus ship that appeared every so often and the ghosts' movement around the grid. Both were supposedly random. Yet, players figured out the patterns to achieve high scores.

Today's games are more sophisticated, employing technology such as "AI". I see that as a more complicated program of patterns. So complicated as to appear random, which of course is the programmer's goal.

However complicated it may be, an RNG is still a created program, so there are laws it must follow. Meaning it does what it was "told" to do when certain criteria is met. I.e. "when player X sits in seat 2, deliver two cards on the next deal, etc."

Is pokerstars delivering a lot of quads this week or month? Probably.
Next week or month it may be trips or flushes.

I have found that some of the sites I play on seem to deliver more of one type of board than another...flushes more likely here, boats over there, etc. Here's my tinfoil hat: On one site I will play AQ a lot more confidently and harder than AK, because a Q seems to be on the board much more often.

Add to that "personal" randomness...the times it seems I don't catch a decent hand on any site before the first 24 minutes. The times it seems all of my hole cards are X3 but not even 33, or I get Ax but not AA. Or the times I gotten monster hands...AA-TT, eight out of the last 12 hands. (Some would call that a rush...yes? Bah,no such thing) Or my personal favorite...when even what I fold turns to gold...J3o becomes a boat.

There's also what I call "the hand before" and "the hand after"...you know...when your hole cards are better matched to the hand before or after. I should include "the hand for the other table" as well.

I simply believe any RNG is a random pattern, so in addition to trying to play smart and learn to read plays, I pay attention to what seems to be occurring where...what works. I kid you not...for one solid week I could not lose w/KJ or KT on three different sites. When that ride ended, I stopped playing them like they were AA.

Thank goodness all sites don't use the same RNG. Otherwise we might see AA vs KK vs QQ on every 10th table, the 2nd week of the month.

I'll take the red-foiled hat to match my shoes, thank you.

what's wrong with drunken craziness?

Ps saran wrap works better than tinfoil

They aren't conspiracy theorists. They are losing poker players.

What evidence. AT ALL. Leads any of you to believe that these sites can even answer e-mails correctly? Sites still struggle to keep up with demand. No one even has the time to think about rigging it.

No one has shown any evidence but there is tons of evidence the other way.

I copied this from my reply to I_LOVE_JD's post on the theory of how PS stacks the newbies. I figure it's relavent to this topic and some of the replies, especially my last sentence.

This has been a theory of a few friends and myself who play on PS for months. We started to notice that every FT had 4 or 5 newbies. We would joke that Lee Jones is running the "stack the newbie" program again. You can obv chalk up the whole topic as coincedence, but I believe SOME of JD's claims have validity. If you think that the online poker isn't flawed in some way, then you are naieve. FLAWED doesn't necessarily mean rigged, but it's def. a possibility. Think about why they would do it. A new player that has success is going to be a repeat customer obv. They know that player is going to take that money they won from other players, and give some back to PS via tourney fees and rakes. I don't know if there is a company in the world that wouldn't want to maximize it's profit, even if the means were unethical.

I read a related theory on another poker related site about the RNG being action based. That means the cards to come are based on the action of the players, and the cards dealt are meant to induce action. Now think about why they would use this. At ring games, more action = more rake for the site. Wouldn't that explain why you see so many preflop monsters like AA vs KK vs QQ? And wouldn't that explain how the donk who puts all his chips in with crap hits impossible runners so often? And how often have you gotten AK with an AK5 flop when the other guy has pocket 5's (no pun intended)? If that doesn't induce action, I dont know what does. And most of all, how many times have you been behind on the flop, got the turn card you needed, only to have the river screw you? Of course giving <span>tourney</span> players AA vs KK 20 times per tourney and inducing action does not enhance PS profit what so ever, but since the RNG is the same for both ring games and tournies, you see alot of the same ridiculous things.

Like I said, they are theories, but they certainly make you think. I never keep a lot of money on any of the sites, and I stick to micro tournies, because frankly, I just don't trust online gambling. (i don't play slot machines either)

<span> One thing you can be sure of...if there is a large some of money surrounding one source, you can bet your ass, someone is trying to find a way to scam it or skim it.</span>

Thank you beanie.

Jsbyun and anyone else who is convinced that it it impossible for online poker to be rigged: Have you been eating a retard sandwich? It is amazing that there are tin foil hat comments made. pokerstars is for sale. They operate offshore in an unregulated environment. They will make 2b on it's sale. Not too shabby. There is no regulation. They are not subject to any US law, or any law anywhere. THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT. Is it hard to admit that some of the online success you have had has been due to a loaded deck? I ask one question. Based on US jurisdiction and no regulation, is it impossible for you to comprehend that it MAY be possible that these decks are rigged for action flops? It makes me laugh that evryone says online Blackjack is rigged, But not Poker baby....no friggin way. That RNG is providing complete randomness and I am an online star....<detect major sarcasm.