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Line check with AA on the flop

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  1. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Aug 16th, 2010 (8/16/2010 6:04am)

    Villian sat in 2 hands ago. Quick check of his DB shows me he has a 78% roi, 25.31avbi, 1263 games, and a 17,775 cash in the MSOP#5 event last May. Reg knows his way. With zero reads here what is the best line here on the flop and why? Jam/flat or ????

    Full Tilt Poker Game #23120876731: $15,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (178455139), Table 31 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 00:25:55 ET - 2010/08/16
    Seat 2: assasinak (8,675)
    Seat 3: noiseboy (13,320)
    Seat 4: Adgey10 (9,550)
    Seat 5: lazybum45ms (9,456)
    Seat 6: kobiyashi13 (5,580)
    Seat 7: Pick6man (10,610)
    Seat 8: THEHAMMER179 (14,921)
    Seat 9: stevotourer (6,855)
    Adgey10 posts the small blind of 100
    lazybum45ms posts the big blind of 200
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Pick6man [As Ac]
    kobiyashi13 folds
    Pick6man raises to 600
    Cwolf913 sits down
    THEHAMMER179 folds
    stevotourer folds
    assasinak has 15 seconds left to act
    assasinak folds
    noiseboy folds
    Adgey10 folds
    lazybum45ms calls 400
    *** FLOP *** [6h 5s Qh]
    lazybum45ms checks
    Pick6man bets 600
    lazybum45ms raises to 2,000
     
  2. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Aug 16th, 2010 (8/16/2010 7:46am) in reply to Pick6man

    Flat and get in on turn other than Q prolly

    EDIT: or a heart turn...fold that too...getting in now prolly isn't a problem either since it's likely he has Axhh or something.
    Edited By: bef99hwk Aug 16th, 2010 at 07:47 AM
  3. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Aug 16th, 2010 (8/16/2010 8:13am) in reply to bef99hwk

    Yea.....alot of ugly turn cards make it rough with so many draws. I kind of liked flatting as well but there are so many good turns to bluff at too. Not only the hearts but the straight cards as well.
     
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  4. litlebullet litlebullet is offline

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    Aug 16th, 2010 (8/16/2010 8:17am) in reply to Pick6man

    yah it's a tricky spot for sure I just don't see a solid player paying you off with worst if you 4-bet his check raise though
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    Aug 16th, 2010 (8/16/2010 8:29am) in reply to Pick6man

    I guess you can flat. Than again there is alot of scary turns. You can Jam but I dont think your getting a call. Looking again I like a flat. Seems beyond suspect. Almost nothing he has is ahead. If you Jam he runs. He didnt like you C bet and so he played back. Flat, check, call, check, jam. if he has the stomach to fire again and again. That hand was all you. Unless you tell me other wise. And if you do than I guess im Low on chips. :)
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    Aug 16th, 2010 (8/16/2010 8:35am) in reply to jemmons89

    I def like getting it in vs a random here, but I like making it 5000 instead of shoving because they aren't going to fold 87 if you make it 5k.
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  7. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Aug 16th, 2010 (8/16/2010 9:25am) in reply to jemmons89

    That is why I really hated this spot because it seems jamming his c/r range is dicey and flatting leaves you open for exploitation on later streets. I like Beefs flat and re evaluate the turn and force him to fire again but there are just a ton of turn cards that suck. I will post the next street in a few.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #23120876731: $15,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (178455139), Table 31 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 00:25:55 ET - 2010/08/16
    Seat 2: assasinak (8,675)
    Seat 3: noiseboy (13,320)
    Seat 4: Adgey10 (9,550)
    Seat 5: lazybum45ms (9,456)
    Seat 6: kobiyashi13 (5,580)
    Seat 7: Pick6man (10,610)
    Seat 8: THEHAMMER179 (14,921)
    Seat 9: stevotourer (6,855)
    Adgey10 posts the small blind of 100
    lazybum45ms posts the big blind of 200
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Pick6man [As Ac]
    kobiyashi13 folds
    Pick6man raises to 600
    Cwolf913 sits down
    THEHAMMER179 folds
    stevotourer folds
    assasinak has 15 seconds left to act
    assasinak folds
    noiseboy folds
    Adgey10 folds
    lazybum45ms calls 400
    *** FLOP *** [6h 5s Qh]
    lazybum45ms checks
    Pick6man bets 600
    lazybum45ms raises to 2,000
    Pick6man calls 1,400
    *** TURN *** [6h 5s Qh] [8h]
    lazybum45ms has 15 seconds left to act
    lazybum45ms bets 2,000
    Pick6man has 15 seconds left to act
    Pick6man ??????

    Ugly turn here. Exactly what you do not want to see as this is also a great card for him to bluff at as well but only has 4900ish back.
     
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  8. The Lab Rat The Lab Rat is offline

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    Aug 16th, 2010 (8/16/2010 9:49am) in reply to Pick6man

    As much as I hate folding in this mtt I'm probably just over it on the turn and folding. He shouldnt be messing too much with your utg+1 open and this is a very bad turn for your hand.
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    Aug 16th, 2010 (8/16/2010 2:55pm) in reply to The Lab Rat

     
    Originally Posted by The Lab Rat View Post

    As much as I hate folding in this mtt I'm probably just over it on the turn and folding. He shouldnt be messing too much with your utg+1 open and this is a very bad turn for your hand.

    whatever he said
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 6:38am) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    Just gettin started and went back to check this thread. Appeciate the responses. Looks like the consensus would be to flat and re evaluate the turn. While I did just that at the time it just felt so weak tight/passive and it felt like I shoulda just jammed him on the flop. Is c/r a set of 55s or 66s the best line for him? Would AQ c/r flop lead turn? Is 78xx 2 barrelling? Really hated this spot.......

    Peace
     
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 7:47am) in reply to The Lab Rat

     
    Originally Posted by The Lab Rat View Post

    As much as I hate folding in this mtt I'm probably just over it on the turn and folding. He shouldnt be messing too much with your utg+1 open and this is a very bad turn for your hand.

    Would you have flatted the flop?
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 10:00am) in reply to _rayden_

    This is def a shitty spot...but I really think the only time he's ever "bluffing" here is with 78...if we shove the flop the ONLY thing your going to get action from is 5s, and 6s. KQ isnt going to show up, AQ isnt going to show up- I think the only time your ever ahead here is if he's got the AQ. Obviously if he's C/R AQ he has no clue what he's doing but hell we've all ran into more than our fair share of morons at the tables right?

    If I'm this guy with AQ/KQ I want to get to a cheap showdown right now, so I'm c/calling the flop. Def a really freaky spot but I just dont really see how you could be ahead right now- you said he's a reg that knows what he's doing so, I think here we gotta be flatting the flop bet...folding the turn imo
     
  13. AceofSpartan AceofSpartan is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 10:21am) in reply to Donnie2005.2

    He auto raised your cbet, obv IMO. Range is anywhere from air, draw, AK, to flopped the set.
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 9:07pm) in reply to AceofSpartan

     
    Originally Posted by AceofSpartan View Post

    He auto raised your cbet, obv IMO. Range is anywhere from air, draw, AK, to flopped the set.

    Ok then........ if air,draws and other hands we beat are in there how would you proceed?

    I think the best here is a combination of what fly said and beef/lab rat/donnie suggested. Reraise or jam a random on the flop and flat/evaluate the turn against good regs.
     
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