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Line check with AK deep in the 2r Rush, 90 left...

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  1. JoeskyLove JoeskyLove is offline

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    Feb 21st, 2011 (2/21/2011 11:14pm)

    I have been making some deep runs in these Rush rebuys that go off at 35 minutes after the hour...This one happens to be the 2r Rush that starts at 0735 EST...I don't use any tracking programs, but had been noticing villain RF to me 3 or 4 times in the past 45 minutes or so...I would like to display this hand in sections as I would like advice on each street to make sure I played this correctly...At the time I was fourth and villain was seventh with 91 left and this hand is essentially for first place chips...Thanks for the input ahead of time, and I'll be back to post the rest of the hand after work....

    Full Tilt Poker Game #28401404642: $12,000 Rush Guar (Rebuy) (220593722), Table 111 - 1700/3400 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:18:33 ET - 2011/02/21
    Seat 1: BlackAdder666 (451,424)
    Seat 2: Partorg (401,953)
    Seat 3: plaschi (255,733)
    Seat 4: DANIEL SADIQ (547,768)
    Seat 5: B-Stefanidis (228,489)
    Seat 6: BeckhamBarra (140,602)
    Seat 7: JoeskyLove (511,770)
    Seat 8: nlmh1973 (77,860)
    Seat 9: Nameless889 (423,342)
    BlackAdder666 antes 400
    Partorg antes 400
    plaschi antes 400
    DANIEL SADIQ antes 400
    B-Stefanidis antes 400
    BeckhamBarra antes 400
    JoeskyLove antes 400
    nlmh1973 antes 400
    Nameless889 antes 400
    Partorg posts the small blind of 1,700
    plaschi posts the big blind of 3,400
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JoeskyLove [Ah Ks]
    DANIEL SADIQ folds
    B-Stefanidis folds
    BeckhamBarra folds
    JoeskyLove has 8 seconds left to act
    JoeskyLove raises to 7,500
    nlmh1973 folds
    Nameless889 folds
    BlackAdder666 raises to 31,200
    Partorg folds
    plaschi folds
    JoeskyLove ...

    Will post the rest of the hand and results later after hearing responses on what you would do and why you would do it....thanks again...
  2. Sagacious Man Sagacious Man is online now

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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 12:01am) in reply to JoeskyLove

    I'm not looking to get in 150 BB's pre here, or bloat the pot out of position with a 4 bet.

    I call and play a flop.
  3. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 12:21am) in reply to Sagacious Man

    Since this is a rush tournament, call. I don't want to 4bet and play AK OOP or face a jam. In a regular tournament, I could see 4betting. But in a rush tournament, the villain's range is narrower and I'd rather call and evaluate after the flop.
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  4. Albert Chuns Albert Chuns is offline

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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 12:50am) in reply to tyson219

    Dont know if this is a leak or not. But why not 4b/f that deep unless you think he is capable of 5betting you with air then I think a 4b/f isnt bad you can flat oop the >10bb 3b but If I think this person is hella nit and his 3b range is QQ+ i think you can ultimately find out where your at in the hand by 4betting pre instead of flatting and playing a board. But Imo I would 4b and reevaluate afterwards if played differently.

    Im not sure if flatting is the correct play. yes it is a rush and the ranges are alot tighter thats why i think it would be better to 4b like 68700-71000.
    Edited By: Albert Chuns Feb 22nd, 2011 at 12:52 AM
     
  5. Sagacious Man Sagacious Man is online now

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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 1:15am) in reply to Albert Chuns

    His 3 bet was huge. I just think 4betting here turns a strong hand into a bluff, if you have no intention of calling a jam. I prefer a flat but only get involved if I hit flop hard since I have bad position.
  6. Exterminate U Exterminate U is offline

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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 1:18am) in reply to Albert Chuns

    i feel like so much of this is read dependent here... if villain has been 3betting a fair amount this should be a pretty easy 4bet imo, i would lean towards 4betting personally unless i perceived the villain to be extremely nitty because its difficult to take a flop here out of position with AK but folding seems real bad, i'd make it somewhere in the vicinity of 80,000 and then proceed from there
  7. humdinger1 humdinger1 is offline

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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 1:45am) in reply to Exterminate U

    think flat and check all flops - evaluate then - dont like a rereraise as no need risk that many chips
     
  8. otang4prez otang4prez is offline MMM is my Hero

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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 2:22am) in reply to humdinger1

    flat and play a flop
  9. JoeskyLove JoeskyLove is offline

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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 7:50am) in reply to otang4prez

    Full Tilt Poker Game #28401404642: $12,000 Rush Guar (Rebuy) (220593722), Table 111 - 1700/3400 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:18:33 ET - 2011/02/21
    Seat 1: BlackAdder666 (451,424)
    Seat 2: Partorg (401,953)
    Seat 3: plaschi (255,733)
    Seat 4: DANIEL SADIQ (547,768)
    Seat 5: B-Stefanidis (228,489)
    Seat 6: BeckhamBarra (140,602)
    Seat 7: JoeskyLove (511,770)
    Seat 8: nlmh1973 (77,860)
    Seat 9: Nameless889 (423,342)
    BlackAdder666 antes 400
    Partorg antes 400
    plaschi antes 400
    DANIEL SADIQ antes 400
    B-Stefanidis antes 400
    BeckhamBarra antes 400
    JoeskyLove antes 400
    nlmh1973 antes 400
    Nameless889 antes 400
    Partorg posts the small blind of 1,700
    plaschi posts the big blind of 3,400
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JoeskyLove [Ah Ks]
    DANIEL SADIQ folds
    B-Stefanidis folds
    BeckhamBarra folds
    JoeskyLove has 8 seconds left to act
    JoeskyLove raises to 7,500
    nlmh1973 folds
    Nameless889 folds
    BlackAdder666 raises to 31,200
    Partorg folds
    plaschi folds
    JoeskyLove raises to 69,999
    BlackAdder666 calls 38,799
    *** FLOP *** [7s 6d As]
    JoeskyLove bets 77,999
    BlackAdder666 calls 77,999
    *** TURN *** [7s 6d As] [5s]
    JoeskyLove has 15 seconds left to act

    Now what's your action and why?....There is a point to this hand....just making sure my bet sizing is okay....Not overly concerned with the results AS LONG AS I played the hand correctly...thanks again...
    JoeskyLove bets 199,999
    BlackAdder666 raises to 303,026, and is all in
    JoeskyLove calls 103,027
    BlackAdder666 shows [Ad 8h]
    JoeskyLove shows [Ah Ks]
    *** RIVER *** [7s 6d As 5s] [4c]
    BlackAdder666 shows a straight, Eight high
    JoeskyLove shows a pair of Aces
    BlackAdder666 wins the pot (910,748) with a straight, Eight high
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 910,748 | Rake 0
    Board: [7s 6d As 5s 4c]
    Seat 1: BlackAdder666 (button) showed [Ad 8h] and won (910,748) with a straight, Eight high
    Seat 2: Partorg (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: plaschi (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: DANIEL SADIQ folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: B-Stefanidis folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: BeckhamBarra folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: JoeskyLove showed [Ah Ks] and lost with a pair of Aces
    Seat 8: nlmh1973 folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: Nameless889 folded before the Flop

    I know it's a bad beat and I don't care abut the result...just want to make sure my sizing is correct on all streets....thank for all that took the time to respond...
    Edited By: JoeskyLove Feb 22nd, 2011 at 09:36 AM
    Reason: nobody wants to help me learn
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  10. jsagan77 jsagan77 is offline

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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 12:51pm) in reply to JoeskyLove

    Man you run like me.. Spend 4 hrs to get into the top 3% of people and make like 30 bucks. These things have donktards all the way down to this level and it's almost impossible to dodge all the bullets so sorry you got unlucky. As far as hand analysis, it's obv that this guy is awful. His 3 bet is huge but conversely, I don't like your 4 bet either. It's not awful, but my preference is to play pots like this in position not out but a case can be made for 4 betting here since he's obviously a weak opponent and you want the most chips possible. My argument against it is that it's a Rush and the majority of players are waiting for AA or KK but you have blockers so it's debateable...

    With that said flop bet sizing is okay, but I like to make it like 95-105k here (again just preference). Now the river bet is what I cringe at. I put him all in here with the nut FD and TPTK every time. You are obviously never folding at this point and if he has you beat you have outs. I'm no pro though so take my advice with a grain of salt...
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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 12:59pm) in reply to jsagan77

    scroll over country if hes from italy or brazil then 4 bet/call pre. If not just flat vs that absurd sizing and just keep check calling. as played ul mate
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  12. Lenail Lenail is offline

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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 1:11pm) in reply to The Lab Rat

    yep, very ul... Key pot to the TF not that much you can do.

    As played, the guy was about to 3bet big the A8o and gamble to catch knowing (if he is a thinking player) he was beat..

    I'll tag him "3bet Ax late, like to gamble in micro RR" and next time you can freely 4bet this AK to him.. Also, is my read/note correct ??
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    Feb 22nd, 2011 (2/22/2011 5:21pm) in reply to Lenail

    Cant see much, if anything wrong with how you played it.
    Off past history the 4bet was correct, the sizing is pretty much spot on with the rest of the hand.
    Daft game sometimes, better luck in the future.
  14. JoeskyLove JoeskyLove is offline

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    Feb 23rd, 2011 (2/23/2011 9:04am) in reply to rayfox111

    @JSagan77...I always see you deep in the same ones I am...thest things are pretty easy to run over if you're not drunk or in spew mode which I occasionally am....also being a rec player, I don't get any volume...I DO have notes on you...
    @Lag Rat...He was from Greece and bc the 3bet was so big, I almost jammed the flop thinking he can never fold JJ there...Is there any value in jamming the flop or does that just shut down all action?
    @Lenail....your note is spot on....I have this guy labeled an uber monkey mothershover....I'll obv remember what that means....I knew he sucked when he 3bet soooo large....sigh...I run bad...
    @rayfox...thanks bro...thought I played it okay...I agree with Lab to shove the turn, but I figured he would obv see me being committed and I wanted him to shove any inferior hand....just wanted to make sure the rest of the sizing was good....

    Often I will flat the 3 bet but his sizing and the fact he was from Greece led me to believe that 4 betting was the better option....appreciate the comments...gonna get one of these rebuys soon godamnit....staying positive has helped me play, errr, run better....that and not looking at the screen when I'm all in and ahead...
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    Feb 23rd, 2011 (2/23/2011 9:25am) in reply to JoeskyLove

    You'll run good on the long term, that is what matter. Keep on thinking and seeking for the best play !!

    I have now added the Cliff note "MMS" in my note taking arsenal as per your statement !!
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