<span>pokerstars Game #43619313013: Tournament #2010050083, $1000+$50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2010/05/04 20:05:14 ET</span>

Table '2010050083 89' 9-max Seat #8 is the button

Seat 2: IceyBSimpson (9975 in chips)

Seat 3: IveGotToejam (10455 in chips)

Seat 4: d.quang (9925 in chips)

Seat 5: paulitschMC (9775 in chips)

Seat 6: happyfister (9925 in chips)

Seat 7: Lenny (9775 in chips)

Seat 8: BillChapel (10320 in chips)

Seat 9: sasodiits (9850 in chips)

sasodiits: posts small blind 25

IceyBSimpson: posts big blind 50

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to IceyBSimpson [Kd Ks]

IveGotToejam: folds

d.quang: folds

paulitschMC: folds

happyfister: raises 100 to 150

Lenny: folds

BillChapel: calls 150

luckyluck653 is connected

sasodiits: calls 125

IceyBSimpson: raises 550 to 700

happyfister: raises 1550 to 2250

BillChapel: folds

sasodiits: folds

IceyBSimpson: calls 1550

*** FLOP *** [6d 5c Qh]

IceyBSimpson: checks

happyfister: bets 1950

IceyBSimpson: calls 1950

*** TURN *** [6d 5c Qh] [3c]

IceyBSimpson: checks

happyfister: bets 5725 and is all-in

IceyBSimpson: folds

Uncalled bet (5725) returned to happyfister

happyfister collected 8700 from pot

happyfister: doesn't show hand

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 8700 | Rake 0

Board [6d 5c Qh 3c]

Seat 2: IceyBSimpson (big blind) folded on the Turn

Seat 3: IveGotToejam folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 4: d.quang folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 5: paulitschMC folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 6: happyfister collected (8700)

Seat 7: Lenny folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 8: BillChapel (button) folded before Flop

Seat 9: sasodiits (small blind) folded before Flop

I think it was a good fold TBH... AA and QQ are obv in his range here so you went with your read... Tough spot but I think you're rarely ahead here....

 

Originally Posted by negativeROI

Pretty gay spot. You probably made a good lay down but you have almost 1/2 your stack in after the flop call. Could you give your reasoning for calling the flop and folding the turn (absolutely nothing changed). It's almost like you called the flop to see if he'd slow down or something...it would be easier to critique if you gave your logic street by street. Probably just fold the flop if your gonna fold your hand on a blank turn. As played, I can't really see folding if there's a possibility his range includes AK/JJ.

this is pretty spot on, well explained. if you are calling this on the flop, you are calling the turn push as well.

I open folded Q6 UTG fwiw. Nitbox :(

Id be curious to know if its way out of line to suggest folding pre here? 30 minute levels, and just feels like id be set mining in this situation. No matter what the flop, unless a KING comes, you are gonna have 1 pair and Id hate getting it in with just that with 200bbs and 30 min levels? (I understand you could flop 4 to a straight and 4 to a flush but those are harder to get paid on)

Idk, as a player you would be so exploitable if you made a habit of folding KK pre to any 4 bet, but do things change here because its a SCOOP H 1k where players are way more conscience of their stack in terms of BB's and 200bbs with 30 min levels? Just a suggestion.

Im not saying this is right, but would like to know what other ranked players think.

To me, it seems you need to make the read preflop and fold or jam it.

If you ship preflop he might fold any AK/AQ combo, and might fold QQ. That in mind, I think calling the 4 bet pre>folding>shoving, but what would you be flatting pre? Obviously a queen flopping makes the hand particularly sick. I agree that calling the flop and folding the turn is incorrect. Tough spot imho. If this were anywhere near my bankroll though, I go for broke 99% of the time.

I agree with almost everything ITT thread, but the only thing i am curious about is with all the action preflop, he must have you on a very strong holding obv. Therefore, if he did have QQ, would he really play it this fast? because as you proved playing QQ that fast on that board would give reason for hands like KK and AA to fold. The only thing thing he could possibly be scared about is AKcc, because he could almost rule out anything that had him beat. This makes me think he most likely had AA and it was a tough but good fold

 

Originally Posted by negativeROI

In all reality I'd say the majority of the time his range is pretty much QQ/AA. I just don't see any reasoning in calling the flop and folding the turn (given the amount of chips you've invested). I think you invested entirely too much to re-evaluate after you call the flop bet...I'd imagine in retrospect you realize that though.

ya i def know what my odds are i just didnt imagine c/folding Q high board. Also, he snap shoved the turn if that gives anymore info?

 

Originally Posted by iceybsimpson

ya i def know what my odds are i just didnt imagine c/folding Q high board. Also, he snap shoved the turn if that gives anymore info?

You've been playing with him so if you think he would slow down on the turn with a weakish hand then I'd say that's your indicator in this instance.. If you think he would push QQ or more likely AA as hard as he did then I'd say that's enough info for you in this situation...

nits ITT

nh

you prolly could fold flop...but i mean...doubt i would. i think it's easy to call flop, you're just never getting bluffed if he puts any more chips in, so i think calling flop then giving up is fine

ya thought wrong i guess

I think he goes broke in position, cause he 3-bets flop in position, either he bets to small (giving in half his stack) or he bets to much where he has no fold equity.

id play it the same, nh

 

Originally Posted by SharkInTheWater

nits ITT

lol