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  1. doomed222 doomed222 is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 2:58pm)

    Wasn't sure if this was optimal or even good. Derek8 is a good aggro reg from everytime I've played with him. How do you play each street? Thanks

    pokerstars Game #42087761498: Tournament #304010535, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2010/04/02 14:53:56 ET

    Table '304010535 19' 9-max Seat #2 is the button

    Seat 1: COCODTC (4995 in chips) 

    Seat 2: NastyApe13 (5475 in chips) 

    Seat 3: Pask81 (2050 in chips) 

    Seat 4: ii DeCiMaTe (6000 in chips) 

    Seat 5: pauloplay (5245 in chips) 

    Seat 6: baboes (3570 in chips) 

    Seat 7: Frodejonny (5040 in chips) 

    Seat 8: derek8 (7010 in chips) 

    Seat 9: stalenhand (7945 in chips) 

    Pask81: posts small blind 25

    ii DeCiMaTe: posts big blind 50

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to ii DeCiMaTe [9d 9c]

    pauloplay: calls 50

    baboes: folds 

    Frodejonny: folds 

    Pask81 re-buys and receives 3000 chips for $20.00

    derek8: raises 50 to 100

    stalenhand: calls 100

    COCODTC: folds 

    NastyApe13: folds 

    Pask81: calls 75

    ii DeCiMaTe: calls 50

    pauloplay: calls 50

    *** FLOP *** [8h 6c 5d]

    Pask81: checks 

    ii DeCiMaTe: checks 

    pauloplay: checks 

    derek8: bets 300

    stalenhand: folds 

    Pask81: folds 

    ii DeCiMaTe: calls 300

    pauloplay: calls 300

    *** TURN *** [8h 6c 5d] [2d]

    ii DeCiMaTe: checks 

    pauloplay: checks 

    derek8: bets 500

    ii DeCiMaTe: raises 922 to 1422

    pauloplay: folds 

    derek8: calls 922

    *** RIVER *** [8h 6c 5d 2d] [6s]

    ii DeCiMaTe: checks 

    derek8: checks 

    *** SHOW DOWN ***

    ii DeCiMaTe: shows [9d 9c] (two pair, Nines and Sixes)

    derek8: mucks hand 

    ii DeCiMaTe collected 4244 from pot

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 4244 | Rake 0 

    Board [8h 6c 5d 2d 6s]

    Seat 1: COCODTC folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 2: NastyApe13 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 3: Pask81 (small blind) folded on the Flop

    Seat 4: ii DeCiMaTe (big blind) showed [9d 9c] and won (4244) with two pair, Nines and Sixes

    Seat 5: pauloplay folded on the Turn

    Seat 6: baboes folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 7: Frodejonny folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 8: derek8 mucked [Ac 7c]

    Seat 9: stalenhand folded on the Flop
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 3:54pm) in reply to doomed222

    Seems fine, turn play might be questionable but his <1/2 pot-size bet isn't very strong so it's reasonable to protect on the blank card.
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 3:56pm) in reply to doomed222

     
    Originally Posted by doomed222 View Post

    Wasn't sure if this was optimal or even good. Derek8 is a good aggro reg from everytime I've played with him. How do you play each street? Thanks

    pokerstars Game #42087761498: Tournament #304010535, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2010/04/02 14:53:56 ET

    Table '304010535 19' 9-max Seat #2 is the button

    Seat 1: COCODTC (4995 in chips)

    Seat 2: NastyApe13 (5475 in chips)

    Seat 3: Pask81 (2050 in chips)

    Seat 4: ii DeCiMaTe (6000 in chips)

    Seat 5: pauloplay (5245 in chips)

    Seat 6: baboes (3570 in chips)

    Seat 7: Frodejonny (5040 in chips)

    Seat 8: derek8 (7010 in chips)

    Seat 9: stalenhand (7945 in chips)

    Pask81: posts small blind 25

    ii DeCiMaTe: posts big blind 50

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to ii DeCiMaTe [9d 9c]

    pauloplay: calls 50

    baboes: folds

    Frodejonny: folds

    Pask81 re-buys and receives 3000 chips for $20.00

    derek8: raises 50 to 100

    stalenhand: calls 100

    COCODTC: folds

    NastyApe13: folds

    Pask81: calls 75

    ii DeCiMaTe: calls 50

    pauloplay: calls 50

    *** FLOP *** [8h 6c 5d]

    Pask81: checks

    ii DeCiMaTe: checks

    pauloplay: checks

    derek8: bets 300

    stalenhand: folds

    Pask81: folds

    ii DeCiMaTe: calls 300

    pauloplay: calls 300

    *** TURN *** [8h 6c 5d] [2d]

    ii DeCiMaTe: checks

    pauloplay: checks

    derek8: bets 500

    ii DeCiMaTe: raises 922 to 1422

    pauloplay: folds

    derek8: calls 922

    *** RIVER *** [8h 6c 5d 2d] [6s]

    ii DeCiMaTe: checks

    derek8: checks

    *** SHOW DOWN ***

    ii DeCiMaTe: shows [9d 9c] (two pair, Nines and Sixes)

    derek8: mucks hand

    ii DeCiMaTe collected 4244 from pot

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 4244 | Rake 0

    Board [8h 6c 5d 2d 6s]

    Seat 1: COCODTC folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 2: NastyApe13 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 3: Pask81 (small blind) folded on the Flop

    Seat 4: ii DeCiMaTe (big blind) showed [9d 9c] and won (4244) with two pair, Nines and Sixes

    Seat 5: pauloplay folded on the Turn

    Seat 6: baboes folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 7: Frodejonny folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 8: derek8 mucked [Ac 7c]

    Seat 9: stalenhand folded on the Flop

    great hand derek

    ...derek8 tho
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 3:59pm) in reply to doomed222

     
    Originally Posted by doomed222 View Post

    Pask81 re-buys and receives 3000 chips for $20.00

    doesn't care much during rebuy period?
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 4:01pm) in reply to DBo Fo Sho

     
    Originally Posted by DBo Fo Sho View Post


    doesn't care much during rebuy period?

    1r1a
     
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 4:03pm) in reply to DBo Fo Sho

     
    Originally Posted by DBo Fo Sho View Post


    doesn't care much during rebuy period?

    its a 20 cubed. essentially $40 freezeout with an addon, so no that wouldnt play a factor
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 4:07pm) in reply to doomed222

    I usually hate a c/r with an overpair into aggression against all regs....

    ......except derek8. I like it, and you might have actually been able to slice off some value on the river.

    EDIT: You might have been better going call/call to get slightly more chips. But this line is pretty good.
     
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 4:11pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    if i value bet and he raises im in a real lame situation tho. and checking is the only way to get any value from any busted draws in his range like he ended up having. 

    you like bet better than check on that river tho halper? i have a ton of respect for your game and would like to know.
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 5:52pm) in reply to doomed222

    Against derek8- switch that a7 to an a8 and he likely plays it the same and calls all rivers. So yes.

    Eh I'm not hating on derek...too much...he's just a rare reg that will play a wide range of hands and call down light in spots like this. I guess he can blast you off with worse, but it isn't likely. For example, look at this hand- he didn't blast you off the river with a bluff, did he? So I think there is thin value here but it does exist.
     
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 5:54pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    i love this thread.

    dont like the c/r on the turn, is it a bluff or for value?
     
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 5:55pm) in reply to Deoxyribo

     
    Originally Posted by Deoxyribo View Post

     i love this thread.

    dont like the c/r on the turn, is it a bluff or for value?

    value, but i still think i can make a value raise on the turn and have it still be acceptable to check/call river for the reasons i said above in my last post.

    edit: so im assuming you're on the call turn/call river boat as well?

    thanks deoxy
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 5:56pm) in reply to s.l. halper

     
    Originally Posted by s.l. halper View Post

    Against derek8- switch that a7 to an a8 and he likely plays it the same and calls all rivers.  So yes. 

    Eh I'm not hating on derek...too much...he's just a rare reg that will play a wide range of hands and call down light in spots like this.  I guess he can blast you off with worse, but it isn't likely.  For example, look at this hand- he didn't blast you off the river with a bluff, did he?  So I think there is thin value here but it does exist.

    thx for all the input halper, appreciate it
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 5:58pm) in reply to doomed222

    I might be a nit, but I just fold flop.
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 6:01pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster

     
    Originally Posted by MakeMeMaster View Post

    I might be a nit, but I just fold flop.

    fold to a limp/mini raised/multi-way pot with 99 with 100 bb+ stacks? yeah id say thats pretty nitty imo
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 6:05pm) in reply to Gags30

    Preflop I raise to 500 because the minraise of the limper has to be a misclick 90% of the time and there is a ton of dead money in the pot and you can pick up the pot right away. Of course the problem is if derek comes over the top, but still, I mean, come on. I guess if he plays AA, KK this way, he might raise but I still think he flats it a large precentage of the time so I think you get reraised so little, raising is great.

    As played I think I just call the turn too, think the range you get value from is way too small to merit raising.
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 6:10pm) in reply to fly44

     
    Originally Posted by fly44 View Post

    Preflop I raise to 500 because the minraise of the limper has to be a misclick 90% of the time and there is a ton of dead money in the pot and you can pick up the pot right away. Of course the problem is if derek comes over the top, but still, I mean, come on. I guess if he plays AA, KK this way, he might raise but I still think he flats it a large precentage of the time so I think you get reraised so little, raising is great.

    As played I think I just call the turn too, think the range you get value from is way too small to merit raising.

    wowwww, really?

    clearly you're better than me, but id like to learn from this so can you explain why seeing a multiway flop early with very deep stacks and a pair of nines is worse than reraising with it?

    i have huge implied odds and disguise my hand strength a ton by just calling. by raising i feel like id be losing tons of value and also might have to face a 4 bet with a hand that just isnt THAT strong with stacks so deep.
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 6:14pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    i dont reaLLY like the turn check raise. i just call and check call any river
     
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 6:16pm) in reply to pikappraider78

     
    Originally Posted by pikappraider78 View Post

    i dont reaLLY like the turn check raise.  i just call and check call any river

    thats 3 for 3 haha ok i guess the consensus is call, check/call. thanks again guys
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 6:25pm) in reply to doomed222

     
    Originally Posted by doomed222 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by MakeMeMaster View Post

    I might be a nit, but I just fold flop.

    fold to a limp/mini raised/multi-way pot with 99 with 100 bb+ stacks? yeah id say thats pretty nitty imo

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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 7:56pm) in reply to fly44

     
    Originally Posted by fly44 View Post

    Preflop I raise to 500 because the minraise of the limper has to be a misclick 90% of the time and there is a ton of dead money in the pot and you can pick up the pot right away. Of course the problem is if derek comes over the top, but still, I mean, come on. I guess if he plays AA, KK this way, he might raise but I still think he flats it a large precentage of the time so I think you get reraised so little, raising is great.

    As played I think I just call the turn too, think the range you get value from is way too small to merit raising.

    the sick thing is...it's 100% not a misclick

    derek8 tho!!!!!!!!!!
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    Apr 2nd, 2010 (4/2/2010 8:39pm) in reply to doomed222

    As much as I would like to believe that he is minraising a limper from middle position on purpose....I just dont think it is possible. Most of my experience with Derek8 though is in 180s, so maybe when he gets deep stacks he adds this awesome play to his arsenal.

    As for raising, I just think you pick up the pot there so often, plus if you raise, get called, and hit, it will be 10x easier to get all the chips in there. Mostly I just think that you pick up the pot right there by raising, and if you do get flatted by the cold callers your hand plays well vs their range. But yea, flatting is definitely fine and if he is actually minraising here on purpose often I have no idea what is better anymore.
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