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  1. knickadam55 knickadam55 is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 1:51pm)

    I would like to start off first by stating the obvious that Livb112 is an unreal SNG HU player, his stats suggest he is the best online. There is no question that hes great but the guy has issues and is a piece of sht. I have heard before that he has major tilt problems and has a big mouth but i would like to hear some feedback.

    When i first started getting serious about HU's about a year ago i played him at 500s and won a few then he tilted and went nuts and had people talk for him cuz of course the lunatic's chat is banned. Then yesterday i was sitting at some 1ks and 2k hus and he sits with me. I obviously wouldn't choose to sit with him as i value game selection SOMEWHAT and there would be no point to play each other. I sucked out dirty in the first match then livb goes on crazy tilt and i win a few matches in a row and he has a few groupies that were talking for him saying hed pay my rake to keep playing him. We talked on AIM for a while and the guy is a punk. It was hard for me to understand how the "best" hu player could act like that. I try not to snap back and argue in poker in general and hate to admit i am victim at times of saying uncalled for things when im provoked but it is very rare and i will come to my senses and be bigger about it and shutup and make ammends. It is immature, disrespectful and dumb and its a shame someone of that calibur can act in that fashion. Any one else have a similar experience or thoughts on this "person"?
     
  2. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 1:55pm) in reply to knickadam55

    For what its worth, and I've never met livb or played him and have no interest in playing him as I am just the messenger, but I have been told livb is not very good at all and is one one of the biggest hu sng heaters possible (queue hu sng variance charts/graphs).
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  3. CSU_Shark CSU_Shark is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 1:56pm) in reply to SCTrojans

    YEAH BUT HIS RESULTS ARE SICK!!! HE'S THE BEST EVER
  4. TiltinShoes TiltinShoes is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 1:57pm) in reply to SCTrojans

     
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

    For what its worth, and I've never met livb or played him and have no interest in playing him as I am just the messenger, but I have been told livb is not very good at all and is one one of the biggest hu sng heaters possible (queue hu sng variance charts/graphs).

    I watched him limp trap QJ fairly early in a sng...seemed pretty bad to me...
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 1:57pm) in reply to SCTrojans

    23,000 game variance?
     
  6. Ship Happens Ship Happens is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 2:01pm) in reply to ForRealDD

    I dont think its possible to beat the biggest HU games online for that long and it be a heater....Maybe hes running a little above expectation but im sure he can beat the games pretty good.
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  7. 12443267 12443267 is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 2:10pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    lol knickerdam, same shit to me when I first met him. Went fuckin crazy callin me names got my AIM cussed me out. Everything in tha book, sick player, but I think he was raped as a child!
     
  8. BigGunX BigGunX is offline Mr OT Party

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 2:13pm) in reply to 12443267

    For a guy who's won so much money playing this game, he really is a steaming bag of douche...or at least his online persona is.
     
  9. Card Fish Card Fish is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 2:16pm) in reply to knickadam55

    Are you serious with this post?

    You listen to a bunch of morons in the chat talk to trash for him and THEN you have an AIM convo?

    Umm...ok
  10. JBT449 JBT449 is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 2:25pm) in reply to knickadam55

    Yeah he was a dickhead to me a couple years ago, but it made me stronger.
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 2:33pm) in reply to knickadam55

    def strong player..but ive also had some words w him a yr or 2 ago
     
  12. Bawsten Bawsten is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 2:49pm) in reply to knickadam55

    Ive never playd him but ive watched him play a little and ive seen one of my friends play him and allll he does is talk trash its more annoying than anything. I also agree with trojans, that he isnt very good he just plays wreckless.
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 3:10pm) in reply to Bawsten

    Very good player at the HU SNG level.

    Silly to suggest he is just on a heater with his volume.

    Definitely prones to tilt but is very tough to play against when he is on, maybe the trash talk is just a part of his game?
     
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 3:22pm) in reply to SCTrojans

     
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

    For what its worth, and I've never met livb or played him and have no interest in playing him as I am just the messenger, but I have been told livb is not very good at all and is one one of the biggest hu sng heaters possible (queue hu sng variance charts/graphs).

    lol i hope this is a joke, you do realize hes played well over 10k games in one of the least variance forms of poker possible. You can say you think hes bad or w/e but questioning whether or not he was +EV in the games hes played so far is absurd, if thats not a big enough sample size to prove winrate idk what is..... I think livb112 is the sickest hu sng player on the planet fwiw
     
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 3:29pm) in reply to amak316

    I'm always surprised to see threads like this, since he's always been incredibly nice whenever I've talked to him (this is live though)
  16. knickadam55 knickadam55 is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 3:33pm) in reply to amak316

    I agree no question that he is great but really that attitude he has is sick... That man is up over 1million in SNG's is known as one of if not the best HU player and still needles and attacks people after a couple losses?! If its his way of getting action and its a complete tactic well thats lame but at somewhat understandable but seems like there is some deeper sickness there. I wouldn't mind talking strategy with him but hes just sucha "tough guy" and won't back down and have some decency. Guess its gotten to the head a little bittttt.
     
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 3:43pm) in reply to knickadam55

    I've only met him once in person. He was a super nice guy. Sure, maybe it was one of those "don't tap the glass" things (afterall, I had just 5bet him w/ J7o into his KK like 5 mins earlier), but since I was out of the tournament, it might not have been. But lets face it, it wouldn't be the 1st case of someone being a dick online/nice in person.
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 3:49pm) in reply to knickadam55

    I know a few sngs players that talk shit to get under your skin, and hopefully tilt you.. I don't support this strategy, but seems to work with some..
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  19. Camz Camz is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 3:50pm) in reply to knickadam55

    Did he play the stars 25k HU? If not, why not? I'm sure he could have found a stake if that's an issue.
  20. jordankickz jordankickz is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 3:53pm) in reply to amak316

     
    Originally Posted by amak316 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

    For what its worth, and I've never met livb or played him and have no interest in playing him as I am just the messenger, but I have been told livb is not very good at all and is one one of the biggest hu sng heaters possible (queue hu sng variance charts/graphs).

    lol i hope this is a joke, you do realize hes played well over 10k games in one of the least variance forms of poker possible. You can say you think hes bad or w/e but questioning whether or not he was +EV in the games hes played so far is absurd, if thats not a big enough sample size to prove winrate idk what is..... I think livb112 is the sickest hu sng player on the planet fwiw

    What? husngs are super high variance.

    I've only played liv a few times and thought he played pretty well but I've seen some hand histories from him that are terrible and people whose games I respect way more than liv have told me that he's terrible. It does seem unlikely for a heater to last 23k games though. I think if he played some tougher competition he probably wouldn't fair too well because most people who plays husngs are not very good at poker.
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 3:57pm) in reply to jordankickz

    JordanKickz i hope what you just said is a level. HU is the least form of variance you can possibly play. The more players the more variance...thats just common sense.

    You can go 50-60 tournys without cashing....15-20 SNGs in bad times...

    The most losses your gonna have in a row HU is like 8-10 and thats over like a fucking gigantic sample size.
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  22. jordankickz jordankickz is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 4:01pm) in reply to knickadam55

    Ship, ever played a husng on ftp? The blinds go up every 3 minutes. The player who is considered the best in the world has a 5% roi.
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 4:03pm) in reply to jordankickz

    i don't think he is on a huge heater. looking at his graph it looks like he's had a tougher go of things over the past 5000 SNG's, which i would attribute towards 1) higher average stakes played, 2) more decent but not great regs avoiding him due to his rep and 3) general increased difficulty in all games across the internet. it looks like his results have been much more volatile which would add credibility to the speculation that he has tilt issues. i think it's silly to assume he's on a heater, but it's safe to assume his stretch from SNG #10,000-#20,000 will likely never be repeated by him (or possibly anyone) again.
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 4:06pm) in reply to Green Plastic

    LOL at SCT once again. Are you just one big level? and LOL at HUsngs having the most variance.
     
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 4:07pm) in reply to Ship Happens

     
    Originally Posted by Ship Happens View Post

    JordanKickz i hope what you just said is a level. HU is the least form of variance you can possibly play. The more players the more variance...thats just common sense.

    You can go 50-60 tournys without cashing....15-20 SNGs in bad times...

    The most losses your gonna have in a row HU is like 8-10 and thats over like a fucking gigantic sample size.

    this... obv if your over a 10k+ sample size you will find close to your actual winrate hu, whereas in mtts you would likely be more than + or - 10% from your actual roi. Its pretty much just common sense that the variance in hu sngs would be less than any other form of tournament. As for his game selection, yes its good because no good players will play him thus he plays all fish. Whether or not he could beat some sickos who wont play him since its not worth their time is all speculation. Hes def at the top of the hu sng ladder and that cant be disputed. Also oliver is a good guy for sure, despite his online persona, just hu sngs are super tilting
     
  26. jordankickz jordankickz is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 4:13pm) in reply to knickadam55

    Your avg $50 husng grinder can probably beat liv like 40-45% of the time. How is this not super high variance?
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  27. Ship Happens Ship Happens is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 4:16pm) in reply to jordankickz

     
    Originally Posted by jordankickz View Post

    Your avg $50 husng grinder can probably beat liv like 40-45% of the time. How is this not super high variance?

    dude....simple breakdown. no matter what hes cashing over 50% of the time

    in tournys your cashing like 12-15% of the time

    in sngs like 40% of the time...

    how are u not understanding that its sooooooooooooooooooo much less variance?????
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  28. jordankickz jordankickz is offline

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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 4:18pm) in reply to knickadam55

    When did I ever compare husngs to tournaments?
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 4:21pm) in reply to jordankickz

    a 55-60% edge is pretty huge jordan and if you run a 10000 run simulation with a 55% edge you will get results very close to your 55% winrate
     
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    Sep 16th, 2008 (9/16/2008 4:23pm) in reply to jordankickz

    i've played this guy only a couple times but he is so hard to put on hands and i never know where im at, he is definetly very tough to play, although he does make some uneeded big overshoves sometimes but he makes up for it for sure, very trappy player.
     
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