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  1. Radicalguy Radicalguy is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2008 (8/17/2008 11:48pm)

    Was playing at a cash table in the casino at the $2/$5 NL table ($200-$500 buyin).

    I have around $1,200 in front of me... There is a guy on the table who dumped around $400 to me a few hands back and was raising any pot that I had limped into.
    He is UTG and makes it $25 to go... 2 callers and comes to me with A4 and I smooth call on the button.
    Flop comes A J 4 (rainbow)

    Raiser makes it $150
    folds around to the player before me who reluctantly puts the remaining $86 of his chips in...

    What is the right move here? (he has around $600 left on him)
  2. HaightMeNow HaightMeNow is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2008 (8/17/2008 11:49pm) in reply to Radicalguy

    umm...raise?

    EDIT: raise to 400$
  3. OneM24 OneM24 is online now beer pong champion

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    Aug 17th, 2008 (8/17/2008 11:52pm) in reply to Radicalguy

    Um...Fold A4 pre to an UTG raiser and 2 callers?
  4. Radicalguy Radicalguy is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2008 (8/17/2008 11:54pm) in reply to OneM24

    The reason I called was because I know if I hit this guy is going to pay me off.
    On the button with a massive stack I can justify a call to hit something.
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    Aug 17th, 2008 (8/17/2008 11:56pm) in reply to Radicalguy

    so what did you do? call, and he binked a jack on the turn counterfeiting your two pair and you lost a 1k pot?
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    Aug 17th, 2008 (8/17/2008 11:59pm) in reply to Radicalguy

    How often are you going to hit 2 pr, the wheel, or 44x flop to make this call profitable in the long run? Even if you do, you're going to have to bet the flop hard, and with the board that fell, there are a lot of cards that will make you cringe on the turn.
  7. Radicalguy Radicalguy is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2008 (8/17/2008 11:59pm) in reply to HaightMeNow

    I put him on AK at best... so I just shoved it in hoping he would fold as based on my past experiences when I flop 2 pair I usually get outdrawn.
    He thinks about it for a long time and I ask him if he has AK and he says yes... and I tell him it is an easy fold...
    He ends up calling... doesnt show his hand and turn and river was a 6 and 8... he mucks... says he had AK
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  8. Radicalguy Radicalguy is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2008 (8/18/2008 12:01am) in reply to OneM24

     
    Originally Posted by OneM24 View Post

    How often are you going to hit 2 pr, the wheel, or 44x flop to make this call profitable in the long run? Even if you do, you're going to have to bet the flop hard, and with the board that fell, there are a lot of cards that will make you cringe on the turn.

    I called preflop for the sole purpose of spiking something so this guy would pay me off. I know the turn and river would make me cringe hence the smooth call wasnt the best move. Considering he had another $450 and the pot was at around $300 I was happy with the pot and thought he could fold his AK/AQ...
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  9. adam_mc adam_mc is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2008 (8/18/2008 12:03am) in reply to Radicalguy

    If you wanted a worse hand to fold you probably shouldn't be playing.
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    Aug 18th, 2008 (8/18/2008 4:27am) in reply to adam_mc

    agreed u shouldn't be playing....
     
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    Aug 18th, 2008 (8/18/2008 4:28am) in reply to Kochan

     
    Originally Posted by Kochan View Post

    agreed u shouldn't be playing....

    seconded...

    Also good 'smooth call' preflop
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    Aug 18th, 2008 (8/18/2008 4:44am) in reply to adam_mc

     
    Originally Posted by adam_mc View Post

    If you wanted a worse hand to fold you probably shouldn't be playing.

    This.
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    Aug 18th, 2008 (8/18/2008 4:45am) in reply to Radicalguy

    The right move is to not play that trash....no wonder he was raising you every time you limped. Do that with 3-4, not A-4.
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    Aug 18th, 2008 (8/18/2008 4:47am) in reply to Hell_Capitan

    also if u always get outdrawn when u have 2 pair u should want him 2 call cos ur 'due' to win 1
     
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    Aug 18th, 2008 (8/18/2008 8:31am) in reply to Radicalguy

     
    Originally Posted by Radicalguy View Post

    I put him on AK at best... so I just shoved it in hoping he would fold as based on my past experiences when I flop 2 pair I usually get outdrawn.
    He thinks about it for a long time and I ask him if he has AK and he says yes... and I tell him it is an easy fold...
    He ends up calling... doesnt show his hand and turn and river was a 6 and 8... he mucks... says he had AK

    that is just ass-backwards thinking... you put him on AK so your trying to talk him out of calling because your scared he will hit and bad beat you? That just doesn't make any sense.
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    Aug 18th, 2008 (8/18/2008 8:35am) in reply to Radicalguy

     
    Originally Posted by Radicalguy View Post

     
    Originally Posted by OneM24 View Post

    How often are you going to hit 2 pr, the wheel, or 44x flop to make this call profitable in the long run? Even if you do, you're going to have to bet the flop hard, and with the board that fell, there are a lot of cards that will make you cringe on the turn.

    I called preflop for the sole purpose of spiking something so this guy would pay me off. I know the turn and river would make me cringe hence the smooth call wasnt the best move. Considering he had another $450 and the pot was at around $300 I was happy with the pot and thought he could fold his AK/AQ...

    also you just contradict yourself with that statement right there... You called to spike and get paid off big, so then you do hit a big hand and you don't want action.

    Just something to think about it.
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