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  1. dmschec dmschec is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 12:06am)

    Live 1/2 game in NYC with lots of rich hedge fund guys.

    Good Hedge fund guy: 2k
    Hero: 2k
    Bad hedge fund guy: 400

    Good hedge fund guy opens to 10 in hijack, bad player flats in cutoff, i 3b to $45 on my button with TJhh. They both call. Flop comes 9TJss. Good hedge fund guy leads for $100. Bad guy shoves for $350.

    I ????????????????
     
  2. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 12:22am) in reply to dmschec

    i kinda wanna call and fold if good guy shoves... might be bad tho cuz good guy could have heaps of draws in his range, but i wouldnt wnna be in a 2000 BB flip when theres chances he has sets too
     
  3. Crazyhorse76 Crazyhorse76 is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 12:22am) in reply to dmschec

    are they respsectively good/bad with hedge fund management or poker?
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  4. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 12:49am) in reply to Crazyhorse76

    Prolly flat flop and see what other guy does...is he the type to play draws fast? Would he really reship 2k+ with 1 over+FD, top and bottom pair, bottom 2, etc? Get it all in and ask to run it 6 times????? lol. I prolly flat and fold to ship on flop, and maybe bet something on turn so you can decide river or something. Gross spot for sure. Can't tell if you are really ahead here or not. TBH, I don't think this is a horrible spot to just get out for 45 because I think ur basically a flip/beat now and it's kind of hard to know what to do unless u have history with the good guy and how he plays certain parts of his range here.

    EDIT: And why are you sitting at 1/2 w/ 2k? Are you Tom Dwan or something? Get up and leave the table and come back 1/2 hr later with 200 or something normal. I'm def not looking to get 1000 in pre and that's just excess unless ur firing a ton of bullets a lot like Dwan does. Just my .02.
    Edited By: bef99hwk Aug 5th, 2010 at 12:50 AM
  5. bdluss bdluss is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 12:59am) in reply to bef99hwk

    I fold, I have $45 invested and have no clue where I am. Also, since the good guy has 2k, he could have a wide variety of hands, many of which has me crushed. with 1000 blinds, I am not looking to gamble in questionable spots
     
  6. matze_widi matze_widi is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 1:33am) in reply to bdluss

     
    Originally Posted by bdluss View Post

    I fold, I have $45 invested and have no clue where I am. Also, since the good guy has 2k, he could have a wide variety of hands, many of which has me crushed. with 1000 blinds, I am not looking to gamble in questionable spots

    pretty much this, sigh fold this deep
     
  7. z06fanatic z06fanatic is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 1:37am) in reply to matze_widi

    lol at hedge fund guys playing 1/2
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  8. jsagan77 jsagan77 is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 1:43am) in reply to z06fanatic

    Def a crappy spot but I probably flat and see what the other guy does...
  9. Gthezgeniusa Gthezgeniusa is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 2:04am) in reply to bef99hwk

     
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

    Prolly flat flop and see what other guy does...is he the type to play draws fast? Would he really reship 2k+ with 1 over+FD, top and bottom pair, bottom 2, etc? Get it all in and ask to run it 6 times????? lol. I prolly flat and fold to ship on flop, and maybe bet something on turn so you can decide river or something. Gross spot for sure. Can't tell if you are really ahead here or not. TBH, I don't think this is a horrible spot to just get out for 45 because I think ur basically a flip/beat now and it's kind of hard to know what to do unless u have history with the good guy and how he plays certain parts of his range here.

    EDIT: And why are you sitting at 1/2 w/ 2k? Are you Tom Dwan or something? Get up and leave the table and come back 1/2 hr later with 200 or something normal. I'm def not looking to get 1000 in pre and that's just excess unless ur firing a ton of bullets a lot like Dwan does. Just my .02.

    completely agree, esp with the other 2k stack being the player you tag as "good" you should def cash out and come back later with normal BI or table change..
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 5:26am) in reply to Gthezgeniusa

    clear fold...flatting all in is beyond horrid. u have like the 7th nuts with little chance of improving
  11. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 5:33am) in reply to shootair

    if hes leading with his entire range i think a fold may be in order here. the only thing ur gonna be happy to see is a lower two pair. there is so many flush+straight, pair+flush, pair+ straight draw combinations not to mention a set or made straight. the turn is most likely gonna be ugly and hes is probably gonna put you in a ugly spot again when he fires again.
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 5:40am) in reply to poisoneye1986

    Why would anyone wanna leave a 2k stack and come back with 200 to a live 1/2 game? There are so many ridiculously bad players in most of these games that have fallen into 5-600 chips why would you want to give away such an advantage? I mean if the profit is enough then okay, leave, but why cut one of your own legs off if you're going to keep playing?
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 5:46am) in reply to poisoneye1986

    is this the best chance you'll get to take these guys' moneys?
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 5:56am) in reply to satchmo

    fold
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 7:12am) in reply to BlindPyro

     
    Originally Posted by BlindPyro View Post

    Why would anyone wanna leave a 2k stack and come back with 200 to a live 1/2 game? There are so many ridiculously bad players in most of these games that have fallen into 5-600 chips why would you want to give away such an advantage? I mean if the profit is enough then okay, leave, but why cut one of your own legs off if you're going to keep playing?

    +1
     
  16. The Lab Rat The Lab Rat is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 7:50am) in reply to AmSlim22

    I fold here personally. If the 8s or Qs comes are we good?
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  17. cbolt21 cbolt21 is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 8:08am) in reply to The Lab Rat

    shippppp. lol at ppl asking why you have 2k at 1/2. TO MAKE MONEY?? MAYBE
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 10:20am) in reply to bef99hwk

     
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

    EDIT: And why are you sitting at 1/2 w/ 2k? Are you Tom Dwan or something? Get up and leave the table and come back 1/2 hr later with 200 or something normal. I'm def not looking to get 1000 in pre and that's just excess unless ur firing a ton of bullets a lot like Dwan does. Just my .02.

    LOLOL why would you sit ridiculously deep stacked with people who dont know how to play poker!!!! Leave immed. Come back with $20-30 so you can shove all in pre!

    As for the hand I fold
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 1:09pm) in reply to 3kingme3

    folding seems a little crazy to me, but everyone that has posted itt and said fold is better than me.. so fold.

    we're in position in a pot that we bloated and if we flat the 350 it looks real real strong. if he reships the flop it's a fold and yea i hate putting 400 in and folding but i'm also trying to play a pot w/ presumably one of the only players at the table that can double me up, dump us 1k, etc. if he flats the 350 also i expect him to slow down a decent amount of the time and we can potentially play a sidepot in position.

    idk i hate 3-betting pre, flopping top two and folding to some action on a wet board... leak obv
    Edited By: elusively Aug 5th, 2010 at 01:17 PM
  20. CoderMan1 CoderMan1 is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 2:02pm) in reply to elusively

    keep us in suspense, we really dont care what happened
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 2:14pm) in reply to CoderMan1

    Can i play in this game ??
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 4:24pm) in reply to MarlonMotors

    First of all, I am sitting 2k deep bc this is a homegame and it is incredibly rude to go south once you win money. This isn't a casino where you can just get up and walk away. If I randomly left after winning lots of money it would be considered rude and I would not get invited back to the (very juicy) game.

    RESULTS: I thought for awhile about what to do here. I was afraid to flat because it gave good aggressive guy with 2k the opportunity to jam hands like JQ or pair+flushdraw or flushdraw+overs. I thought that if I raised, there would be 0 chance he would jam hands like this. Most of the time he would fold these hands and some of the time he would flat them. If he flats after I raise, I can jam non-scary turns. I felt confident that he would not jam over my raise without exactly QK. So I minraised to $600, good guy jammed 2k, and I folded. He had KQ. I guess I could have just folded on the flop like everybody suggested
     
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  23. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 4:46pm) in reply to 3kingme3

     
    Originally Posted by 3kingme3 View Post

    LOLOL why would you sit ridiculously deep stacked with people who dont know how to play poker!!!! Leave immed. Come back with $20-30 so you can shove all in pre!

    As for the hand I fold

    Cuz you don't need it? Leave and come back with 200 and build it back up if they are that bad and sit with <1k. There can't be THAT many ppl sitting 600+ at one table. And I wasn't phucking talking bout coming back with 20-30..I'm talking about a realistic 300bbs or so. No idiot is stacking off 1000bbs with bullshit. If there's one solid guy who is sitting the same as you, why would you want to be that deep? It almost forces you to pot control a lot of pots.
  24. Flopnuts1 Flopnuts1 is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 5:34pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    Where do you play?
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 5:41pm) in reply to Flopnuts1

    as far as having the 1000bbs i think you should always wanna have enough to have the table covered.
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 9:36pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

     
    Originally Posted by poisoneye1986 View Post

    if hes leading with his entire range i think a fold may be in order here. the only thing ur gonna be happy to see is a lower two pair. there is so many flush+straight, pair+flush, pair+ straight draw combinations not to mention a set or made straight. the turn is most likely gonna be ugly and hes is probably gonna put you in a ugly spot again when he fires again.

    Really? if he is leading with his entire range, then you are folding the best hand a good % of time.
  27. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 9:57pm) in reply to el arracachero

    b/c the hands that have u beat have you crushed and he probably has atleast 10 outs on that board. the only cards you will be happy to see on the turn are a non spade 2,3,4,5,6.
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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 10:16pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

     
    Originally Posted by poisoneye1986 View Post

    b/c the hands that have u beat have you crushed and he probably has atleast 10 outs on that board. the only cards you will be happy to see on the turn are a non spade 2,3,4,5,6.

    You probably wouldn't be too upset if the turn came a J or a T, either.
  29. el arracachero el arracachero is offline

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    Aug 5th, 2010 (8/5/2010 10:26pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

     
    Originally Posted by poisoneye1986 View Post

    b/c the hands that have u beat have you crushed and he probably has atleast 10 outs on that board. the only cards you will be happy to see on the turn are a non spade 2,3,4,5,6.

    This is prolly true, but from your past statement, I understood your saying if he leads his entire range, we should fold. Maybe I didnt understand what you meant. Prolly you meant to say his entire range that connected that flop, because his entire range includes worse hands.
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    Aug 6th, 2010 (8/6/2010 8:59pm) in reply to el arracachero

    its a home game he cant cashout and come back lol. i mean, seriously??? leave your computer and hit up a game every once in a while hawk
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