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  1. Jwilkinson Jwilkinson is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2011 (3/24/2011 3:59pm)

    sitting on 1300 been grinding for about 10 hours when this hand comes up. villian has around 700 and has been at the table for 3 hours or so. he won a big pot with a naked flush draw against aces to double, hes pretty dumb aggressive fwiw. always reraises and folding to shoves ect when hes committed. i look down to 74 of diamonds, im utg and i decide im going to limp raise and pretend im holding 2 aces. couple other limpers , villian makes it 20 on the button, i repop to 55. he tanks and makes it 125. i snap shove my stack in and he flips over 2 red queens and mucks, now my question is, is this a horrible play given my notes and read on opponent?

    ps i showed him the 4 of diamonds, and he went into a rage how could i shove so much with 4's. his stack was gone within the hour, i guess i tilted him.
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    Mar 24th, 2011 (3/24/2011 4:12pm) in reply to Jwilkinson

    It worked, so can't be that terrible. It's a very risky/high variance play though.

    Against that type of player, I'd much rather call pre and outplay him postflop. Sounds like the type of player that will pay you off if you make a hand.
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  3. iCONoFpOKER iCONoFpOKER is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2011 (3/24/2011 4:13pm) in reply to tyson219

    for a cash game that seems like a bad shove to me, seeing he repoped you
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    Mar 24th, 2011 (3/24/2011 4:39pm) in reply to iCONoFpOKER

    Seems unnecessary in a 1/2 game tbh. Easier to win by just stacking idiots who can't fold mid pair.
    Edited By: StayCalm Mar 24th, 2011 at 11:28 PM
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    Mar 24th, 2011 (3/24/2011 4:55pm) in reply to StayCalm

    ok thanks i know it was real spazzy, just didnt think he had shit, he was wearing sunglasses and a hoodie, so i figured it would work :)
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    Mar 24th, 2011 (3/24/2011 6:00pm) in reply to Jwilkinson

    As already said, 1/2 is a game to see every flop possible in position and outplay the morons post flop.
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    Mar 24th, 2011 (3/24/2011 11:45pm) in reply to Jwilkinson

    if he makes it 20 and then 4 bets to 125 from 55 and THEN folds QQ pre flop to an UTG limp raise he's obv a thinking player imo and I think you're not giving him enough credit. If you're going to bluff off half your hard earned stack for no reason other than you felt like making a play, expect to get called the other 99% of the time against even hands like JJ or TT if you think the player is bad like you said. Most bad players don't fold QQ in that spot, they're at the casino to gamble. Next time you're in this spot just fold unless you want to be the one tilting off the rest of your stack next time.

    but as played I would def be showing my hand while pulling in his chips lol

    like a boss
    Edited By: Adzieboi Mar 24th, 2011 at 11:48 PM
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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 12:57am) in reply to Adzieboi

    Where were you playing 1/2 and run up a stack to 1200? I play at the venetian a few times a week and rarely if ever see that.
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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 1:39am) in reply to ZenEnso

    You're both just lighting money on fire, he just decided he was gonna show you how a pro money lighter on firer does work, so nice job I guess.

     
    Originally Posted by Adzieboi View Post

    if he makes it 20 and then 4 bets to 125 from 55 and THEN folds QQ pre flop to an UTG limp raise he's obv a thinking player imo and I think you're not giving him enough credit.

    lol no. He took literally the worst line he could possibly take and then showed the table. What credit are we supposed to be giving him that we're not?
     
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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 4:10am) in reply to CP_MagiciaN

     
    Originally Posted by CP_MagiciaN View Post

    lol no. He took literally the worst line he could possibly take and then showed the table. What credit are we supposed to be giving him that we're not?

    Not disagreeing that he played the hand poorly, but someone OP labeled as "dumb aggressive" should not be making this fold like ever. A thinking player doesn't mean they're good, but this guy is definitely a thinking player if he could lay down QQ in this spot after OP takes a tremendously strong line pre.
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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 8:06am) in reply to Randinho

    Well OK, if we're using that definition then everyone is a thinking player, which I guess is true at face value, regardless if their thought process is terrible or not. What you're saying in so many words is a guy who limp/calls A8o UTG because "if the flop comes A8x I'm going to get paid off" is a thinking player.

    I also don't see how anyone could be defined as anything other than dumb aggressive when they play a hand like this. Dumb aggressive basically means just clicking buttons/throwing money in the middle w/out any sort of plan, no? That's what happened here. I'd have to do the exact math, but off the top of my head I'm pretty sure just flatting to set mine and stack off Q high flops is going to be profitable in the button's spot given OP's raise size and being 350BB's deep...so...basically the button's plan was to fold out all bluffs and just to check if OP reeeeeeeallly had AA? Clearly this makes no sense. Calling this guy a thinking player is like calling a paranormal investigator a scientist.
    Edited By: CP_MagiciaN Mar 25th, 2011 at 08:10 AM
     
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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 10:21am) in reply to CP_MagiciaN

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    It worked, so can't be that terrible. It's a very risky/high variance play though.

    Against that type of player, I'd much rather call pre and outplay him postflop. Sounds like the type of player that will pay you off if you make a hand.

    Try to be a little more result oriented.

     
    Originally Posted by Jwilkinson View Post

    ok thanks i know it was real spazzy, just didnt think he had shit, he was wearing sunglasses and a hoodie, so i figured it would work :)

    This post made me lol a lot, I can't believe I'm the first to quote it.
     
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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 2:40pm) in reply to Brunson10

    when he asked how you could shove so much with 4's after you showed him a 4 I would have told him I didn't have 4's and watched him really explode
     
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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 2:54pm) in reply to chaz78

    Second time I have had to say this today but I think the poker community has a serious disease going around. FPS. Fancy play syndrome.
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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 3:04pm) in reply to Acesiwul

     
    Originally Posted by Acesiwul View Post

    Try to be a little more result oriented.

    FWIW, I was being sarcastic, it just wasn't obvious. My serious advice was the line below it. As the OP himself said, it was a spazzy play.
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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 4:20pm) in reply to tyson219

    the fact that you said he has been raising and folding to shoves... and the fact that he didnt fold to your reraise, and infact he repopped you makes this a horrible read.
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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 4:22pm) in reply to ZenEnso

     
    Originally Posted by ZenEnso View Post

    Where were you playing 1/2 and run up a stack to 1200? I play at the venetian a few times a week and rarely if ever see that.

    I've seen this often at foxwoods. (Don't know where OP was playing)
     
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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 5:03pm) in reply to CP_MagiciaN

     
    Originally Posted by CP_MagiciaN View Post

    You're both just lighting money on fire, he just decided he was gonna show you how a pro money lighter on firer does work, so nice job I guess.



    lol no. He took literally the worst line he could possibly take and then showed the table. What credit are we supposed to be giving him that we're not?

    ^^^ this but i think it was actually the 2nd or even 3rd worst line he cud take...remember spewtards can always take worst lines....

    meh i duno bout you guys but at foxwoods i rountinely see players w over 1k behind them.... i mean people love to get it in w 74dd for heaps pre....nuff said....
     
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    Mar 26th, 2011 (3/26/2011 7:34am) in reply to cocoa_butter111

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    It worked, so can't be that terrible. It's a very risky/high variance play though.

    Maybe you should work on your sarcasm so people don't interpret it as your opinion. It was a very risky/high variance play, I don't understand the sarcasm here.

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    FWIW, I was being sarcastic, it just wasn't obvious. My serious advice was the line below it. As the OP himself said, it was a spazzy play.

     
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    Mar 26th, 2011 (3/26/2011 9:52am) in reply to Acesiwul

    this thread just seems like a ridiculous brag from OP, with that being said, the guy with QQ could not have played his hand worse, also seems like a completely unnecessary move given how soft most 1/2 games are and just going on a whim hoping some dolt will make a big fold, also don't think snap shoving as you say you did is all that great, i would assume (as your opponent in the hand) you wouldn't do that with aces or kings because you'd try to take at least a few seconds to assess what the best way to stack this guy would be, not sure if i worded this how I should have since its almost 5 am

     
    Originally Posted by ZenEnso View Post

    Where were you playing 1/2 and run up a stack to 1200? I play at the venetian a few times a week and rarely if ever see that.


    it happens more often than you might imagine and in less time than you might think as well, come play in Florida sometime and you'll see haha
     
  21. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Mar 26th, 2011 (3/26/2011 4:41pm) in reply to Acesiwul

     
    Originally Posted by Acesiwul View Post

    Maybe you should work on your sarcasm so people don't interpret it as your opinion. It was a very risky/high variance play, I don't understand the sarcasm here.

    You are absolutely correct. It was a bad post. I rarely ever do that, especially in this forum. Like I said above, outplaying opponents post flop is so easy at 1/2 live, don't see a point in spazzing preflop.
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