After busting 26th in the $5 2r1a on Stars b/c 88>my TT, so i get the bright idea to go play some 1/2 at the local casino.

After about an hour im sitting at a table with a bunch of bad nits and one decent player. Most of the table is 100-200bbs but the decent player and I are both ~400bbs deep.

Preflop he standard raises (6bb) and i flat along with two others (holding Qd8d).

Flop comes Qc 8h 6h

Decent player bets out 15BB (into ~25) and after one flat i raise to 45BBs. Other player behind folds and after villain's calls the other caller folds (bringing pot to 115BBs and leaving us both ~350BBs)

Turn come Ah

He checks to me and i Check behind (figuring that ill play pot control b/c of the scary turn)

River comes Qh

He leads out for 70bbs and i raise it to 160bbs and then he jams.

I call of and he flips AQ to ship $1600-$1700 pot at 1/2 while im left feeling like God himself is out to get me...

Am i really suppose to just flat the river? Or fold to the jam??

I play mostly tourneys and i know that in MTTs we chalk this up to variance, but when im already in one of my worst live (and online) downswing since ive started playing poker for more than entertainment and its BRUTAL...

Muppet or UL??

cooler. move along. <3

unlucky, his range is pretty wide cuse its live 1/2. also please dont put the bets and stacks in terms of BB its incredibly hard to follow.

playing alittle high for a $5 mtt player

I think the lesson to be learned is don't play q/8. I'm a nit though and suck at this wicked bitch we call poker.

 

Originally Posted by illumirunus

playing alittle high for a $5 mtt player

this post is dumb and makes me angry. the .5/.10 game at his casino prolly wasnt running.

Its a sick cooler IMO....maybe flat his river bet, idk, but then you're playing really defensively....I suppose u could raise more on flop, but then you might price out his AQ....

Normally I'd say to not play the Q8dd regardless of position, but every time I play live 1-2 & I'm 300-400 bbs deep my range is huge as well....UL bro

 

Originally Posted by Luckless

this post is dumb and makes me angry. the .5/.10 game at his casino prolly wasnt running.

:-) ty sir

 

Preflop he standard raises (6bb)

I'm not too sure if 6 BB's is a standard raise...

Anyways, I fold the Q8s preflop usually 400 BB's deep... Q8s is the type of hand that will make decent hands, not great hands.

I probably raise more on the flop, to something like 85 BB's.

I think if he's a decent player, then he knows he shouldn't be bet/calling with a king-high flush, and everything else in his range beats you. So flatting the river is probably best.

 

Originally Posted by leftygrove

I'm not too sure if 6 BB's is a standard raise...

Anyways, I fold the Q8s preflop usually 400 BB's deep... Q8s is the type of hand that will make decent hands, not great hands.

I probably raise more on the flop, to something like 85 BB's.

I think if he's a decent player, then he knows he shouldn't be bet/calling with a king-high flush, and everything else in his range beats you. So flatting the river is probably best.

I know this is not a reasonable standard open but at my local casino $10-$15 is pretty standard open pre, making the game play quite strange, and im not positive on optimal play yet, maybe the error is playing Q8s but thats for another time... I had Position and a hand that was playing ~67x raise amount and figured the risk/reward with a hand like Q8s is pretty decent vs a muppet (When i said decent i meant it in the 100% most relative of terms, he was raising to $12 preflop ~50% of hands and maybe even more he was not a player that had any particular selectivity preflop, he just was semi-competent post flop, as in wont pay off entire stack w/ single pair...)

I figured he had to put me on a set or at worst a good Q and after rethinking it realize that the river raise was pretty thin for value, i feel like that was the only real avoidable error other than raising flop larger (but when i asked him about it when he left [two hands later with all my $$] he said i would had to raise like 1/3 stack or more for him to even think about it but that he prob woulda put me on a FD if much more) as said before, everything is relative...

 

Originally Posted by MikeCaroJr

Definately reraise more on flop, 55+. As played and per your read, what hands on the river can you put him on? And does he call with worse if you reraise? Flatting is the only option imo.

like the ONLY hand that he calls w/ is a flush thats too attached to fold after checking it on the turn but hands that re-raise... I only beat stupids so it was a bad call... I think that i should have just resisted the little extra value and avoided having to make the decision on weather or not to call... thanks for the comments all...