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  1. This hand was right at the end of the last day 1 flight (of 3) of the Melbourne Poker champs $240 buy in 100k guarantee. I lost the hand but I thought I made the right decision. What do you think? Was it too light with my stack size and time left to play?

    So far 50-60 player through to day 2 from the first 2 flights. 5 min left in the last level of the day, so we might get 2-3 more hands in.

    Stacks and reads:

    Seat 1 - Empty
    Seat 2 - 38,300 - Hero - Been pretty tight, 3 bet pre only a few of times all day once with KK and the others were AQ 2-3 times
    Seat 3 - 70k - likes to call raises OOP with marginal hands
    Seat 4 - >20k - this guys a Nit. Just awful, folded A10s face up to an open raise of 2.5BB with 6-8BB behind
    Seat 5 - >20k - new to table, seems competent, waiting for the right spot. shove pre taken blinds and antes a couple times.
    Seat 6 - 40-50k Good player, spewed early but doubled with big hands and settled
    Seat 7 - 35-40 - Pretty tight, showed AA twice all in lost one won one.
    Seat 8 - 70-80k -new relatively new to table but doubled with QQ and busted a short stack with QQ as well
    Seat 9 - 50-60k - Chick 3 raising and 3 betting a lot but shown big hands every showdown.
    Seat 10 - 16,600 - Villain - Has been pretty snug all the time at the table. showed Ac7c in a all in on flop race vs big stack 10,7 to double a couple hands prior. Other than that has shown A10, AJ after shoves with no callers. but had bee getting blinded out before he doubled.

    Blinds are 1k, 2k 200 ante. last level of day 10min left (maybe 3-4 more hands max) as dealer is pitching the cards TD announces there will be 3 more hands for the day.

    Button is on Seat 5.

    Seat 8 - Fold
    Seat 9 - Fold
    Seat 10 - All In - 16,400
    Seat 1 - Empty
    Seat 2 - 7h7d - 38,300 calls leaving 21,700 behind (10.85BB or M=4.52 for this level, next level it will be 9BB or M=3.28)
    Seat 3 - Fold
    Seat 4 - Fold
    Seat 5 - Fold
    Seat 6 - Fold
    Seat 7 - Fold.

    Villain shows Ac5c
    Hero shows 7h7d

    Board
    FLOP: T, J, Q rainbow
    TURN: Ad
    RIVER: 3

    If I win the flip and fold the last 3 hands I'll have 55,900. Would start day 2 with 23BB or M=8.46

    If I fold and fold the last 3 hands I'll have 37,700. Would start day 2 with 15.7BB or M=5.71

    On the cards alone it worked out to be 65/35 my way pre 77 vs A5s so I was happy with that part of it, but I kept thinking that maybe I should have folded this spot and gone to day 2 with more chips and room to move.

    Was my call too light when taking stack sizes into play?
  2. Do you post this same hand for strategy discussion if you hold?
    Nuff said...
  3.  
    Originally Posted by rungoodmuch View Post

    Do you post this same hand for strategy discussion if you hold?

    Maybe not, but I'd probably ask if I folded too strong if I let it go. does that matter?

    Regard less of whether it held or not, I'd like a bit more input than "nuff said"

    It doesn't matter if it held if I did call too light, because if I make the same call next time I making a mistake if its the same/similar situation.

    I'm trying to find out if I made the right decision once all factors are taken into account, I'm not crying over a lost flip.
    Thread Starter
  4. I think folding a lot of times in this spot because he is taking so close to half/3quarter range of the stack. Unless u have a great read...a lot of times JJ or better and AKs...because its a big mult i could deff seeing u playing smalls pair for big pots pre...maybe if you limped shoved pre trying to iso a small raise or even his limp...but his ALL IN is different... I think
    Edited By: Daggle May 9th, 2011 at 04:50 AM
  5. This has to be a fold in mid position with your stack size.
  6. Right play obviously. Don't be results oriented. Also, consider that a player will ship it in lighter so he can either double, or NOT have to come back a whole day later with 7 bbs.
  7. If you took away the cards here and ran this scenario, I would think people would say TT+ would be a call/shove here. I don't want to be calling off about half my stack with 77 in this spot.
  8.  
    Originally Posted by peryan View Post

    Right play obviously. Don't be results oriented. Also, consider that a player will ship it in lighter so he can either double, or NOT have to come back a whole day later with 7 bbs.

    Isn't that exactly what you are doing by saying its the right play obviously???
     
  9.  
    Originally Posted by C_Bomb View Post

    Maybe not, but I'd probably ask if I folded too strong if I let it go. does that matter?

    Regard less of whether it held or not, I'd like a bit more input than "nuff said"

    It doesn't matter if it held if I did call too light, because if I make the same call next time I making a mistake if its the same/similar situation.

    I'm trying to find out if I made the right decision once all factors are taken into account, I'm not crying over a lost flip.

    I can appreciate this response because you really are looking for insight on the hand and not crying about losing. With that said this spot sucks tbh I see why you posted this and it's pretty borderline considering your stack size (just under 20bbs) and position at the table. If I'm in later position I prob just reshove, but I think I probaly sigh fold here, bag and tag my 19bbs and look for a better spot on day 2.
     
  10. Correct maths play (short-stacked villain etc. no one will argue about that). But your stack size is pretty awkward if you lose. Personally I wouldn't pay attention to the time of day etc., but I think you are reasonably short stacked anyways so you might need to take this opportunity to double up. Atm with only 7.9M and the blinds rising, and the fact that your opponent has 16,600 (= 3.5M), and he is a reasonable player (albeit snug he must realise he is short), this seems like a good call, mathematically and in these circumstances.

    Btw did you calculate your M wrongly?

    If you fold and the next three hands you will be left with 37,700. 37,000 / 4,800 (2k BB +1k SB +(9*200) antes) = 7.9M. (reasonably short stacked position to start the next day).

    If you win, you will be left with 55,900 = 11.6M (a strong position to enter the next day).

    If you lose, you will be left with 21,700 = 4.5M (as you said), (short stacked but still one double up and a win, and you will be fine).
  11. I used the next levels blinds (only 3 hands left that day) to calculate M.

    I could also have my formula wrong. M=BB + SS + 1 round of antes right?

    Next level is 1200/2400 + 300ante
    Edited By: C_Bomb May 9th, 2011 at 11:44 PM
    Thread Starter
  12. Under normal conditions I hate calling them in with small pairs. Some ppl online do it way way too much. Its a bad idea because the best you can hope for is a flip and you could be crushed by a bigger pair. However, These are not normal conditions. Your villan is short which opens his range to include a few hands that you could be ahead of such as ace rag and the smaller pairs. For this reason, I dont hate the call. Better jam the pot soon in day 2 tho.
     
  13. With 5 players behind, and only 3 hands left until the close of day 1, I think this is almost always a fold.

    What are you going to do if seat 3, 6 or 7 reship on you? You have to call and look like a dunce when they roll JJ+
  14. So basically this spot is super thin and you can afford to pass.

    Calling and winning still leaves you with an awkwardish stack.

    Calling and losing leaves you crippled.
  15.  
    Originally Posted by Sagacious Man View Post

    So basically this spot is super thin and you can afford to pass.

    Calling and winning still leaves you with an awkwardish stack.

    Calling and losing leaves you crippled.

    +1
  16.  
    Originally Posted by SlayNL View Post

    With 5 players behind, and only 3 hands left until the close of day 1, I think this is almost always a fold.

    What are you going to do if seat 3, 6 or 7 reship on you? You have to call and look like a dunce when they roll JJ+

    This. In LP or blinds calling is fine but you gotta fold from your position.
  17. i snap online but live donks are so damn tight that id probably fold.. cant really fault either way tho
     
  18. I can see why it's a borderline decision with only a few hands left and a short stack not wanting to come in with an even shorter stack in comparison with the blinds the next day. But imo 77 is just too weak from mp. There are still so many hands behind you that could reshove on you then what will you do? I would prob play 10-10+ from here but reshove to iso the original shover since his range will be lighter with the eod near.
  19. Live it might be a borderline call. I always fold this here live though, especially with your read of him being a very snug player. You're either crushed or flipped against his range (since he is most likely not shoving 22-66 here), and you're in big trouble if someone behind you reshoves.

    I probably reship 99+/AQ+ here though. AJ is a possibility too but definitely borderline.
  20.  
    Originally Posted by Jason2890 View Post

    especially with your read of him being a very snug player. You're either crushed or flipped against his range (since he is most likely not shoving 22-66 here)

    my read is he open shoves any pair, any Ace and K9s+ and KQo (maybe KJo)

    Unfortunately that means the flop that came out hit a lot of his range.
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