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  1. nadatell nadatell is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 4:22am)

    I'm at the Oklahoma State Poker Championship at the Tulsa Hard Rock, I was playing a nightly $125 NL holdem tournament last night and this hand came up we are 7 handed at the FT and the level is 2000/4000/500 I'm in the bb for 4000 and a ss goes allin for 5400 the sb calls the 3400 more leaving me 1400 to call which I do with K7o without thinking about it. The flop is KT2 rainbow, now this is where the conterversy starts, the sb checks, well i figure I'm in the lead and the 20K or so in the pot would be nice to have so I bet my top pair, the sb looks at me in disgust shows her AJ gutshot str8 draw and over card and folds, then she starts to berate me asking if I have ever played a tournament before (I proceed to tell her my live success of the past year), and can't believe i bet when a person was allin at the FT because there was a $70 pay increase (now I regularly have bar tabs of over $70 so $70 means nothing to me) the only thing I'm thinking of is 1st place and the $2600 or so that I could win. The rest of the table that spoke up agreed that the bet was wrong I should check down to eliminate the allin player.

    So what do you think should I just check down or eliminate 4 outs against me (it was 4 outs because the allin guy had AT and flopped middle pair and AJ need a Q to win) and increase my odds of winning the hand (and adding 16% or so to my stack) by 25% or check it down?
  2. tedSTRETCH tedSTRETCH is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 4:31am) in reply to nadatell

    if its lifechanging pay jumps check it down. I dont see anything wrong with that play, must have been a bunch of live nits
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  3. nadatell nadatell is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 4:35am) in reply to tedSTRETCH

    I agree with the life changing amounts but 1st is the only thing that I could be happy with in this thing so who cares about $70.
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  4. DOITDEALER DOITDEALER is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 4:44am) in reply to nadatell

    you did the right thing brotha... gl
  5. StayCalm StayCalm is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 4:47am) in reply to tedSTRETCH

     
    Originally Posted by tedSTRETCH View Post

    if its lifechanging pay jumps check it down. I dont see anything wrong with that play, must have been a bunch of live nits


    This. If everyone at a live poker table tells you your wrong, you can almost gaurentee your playing correctly.
  6. tedSTRETCH tedSTRETCH is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 4:48am) in reply to StayCalm

     
    Originally Posted by Stay_calm86 View Post

    This. If everyone at a live poker table tells you your wrong, you can almost gaurentee your playing correctly.

    nominate for best statement of the year
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  7. Pocket Kings Pocket Kings is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 4:49am) in reply to DOITDEALER

    Yeah forget them, play to win.
  8. Randinho Randinho is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 8:41am) in reply to Pocket Kings

    I bet she wanted to pay the bubble too. Good play, f her.
  9. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 10:03am) in reply to Randinho

    The only thing you should be concerned with is betting to protect your made hand.

    There is a strategic concept in playing bubbles and money ladders. "Don't BLUFF a dry side pot" You don't gain equity by bluffing others off a hand you can't win.

    In this case you are justified in betting to protect your hand & tEV
  10. clueless5 clueless5 is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 11:07am) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

    there is no obligation to check it down. especially when the side pot is not zero.
  11. PIsom23 PIsom23 is offline DO NOT TRADE

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 11:16am) in reply to nadatell

    lol at someone who flats a 1.3 bb shove with AJ, with only one player left to act, then berates someone else about tournament strategy.
    Edited By: PIsom23 Feb 15th, 2011 at 11:17 AM
     
  12. Passiveplay Passiveplay is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 12:48pm) in reply to PIsom23

    Three things that set off live players are: Betting when a player is all in, paying the bubble boy, and chopping. You will see some pretty lively arguments when someone goes against the grain.
     
  13. redhat_jane redhat_jane is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 12:58pm) in reply to PIsom23

     
    Originally Posted by PIsom23 View Post

    lol at someone who flats a 1.3 bb shove with AJ, with only one player left to act, then berates someone else about tournament strategy.

    ^^^this.
  14. toddytheboy toddytheboy is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 1:48pm) in reply to redhat_jane

    fucking stupid woman
     
  15. louiemdj louiemdj is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 5:06pm) in reply to toddytheboy

    I probably would have isolated the small stack there. That is a horrible flat with AJ, and she is an idiot.

    On a side note, I will be playing the $340 100K again this weekend. I love this series, good structure and lots of bad players.

    How did you finish in the tourney?
  16. Glo4m Glo4m is offline Confess to me

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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 5:45pm) in reply to louiemdj

     
    Originally Posted by clueless5 View Post

    there is no obligation to check it down. especially when the side pot is not zero.

    THIS. Be confident in your play, and let the other player tilt and make mistakes.
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    Feb 15th, 2011 (2/15/2011 6:56pm) in reply to Passiveplay

     
    Originally Posted by Passiveplay View Post

    Three things that set off live players are: Betting when a player is all in, paying the bubble boy, and not chopping. You will see some pretty lively arguments when someone goes against the grain.

    fyp

    insane how cry babyish everyone gets over that
  18. nadatell nadatell is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 7:06pm) in reply to haonhack

    I ended up chopping 4 ways for a little more than the other 3 only because it was 3 am and I had a noon tourney the next day. I'll be in day 1a of the 100K don't think I'll do the re-entry but I might if I bust. Your so right on the bad players they put you on rediculous ranges when you make a play. On another note I won the $340 $100 bounty last night for $3713 (that was with 4 bounties and didn't get my 1st till 7 left at the FT) only had 62 entrants but was awesome to win it. Playing PLO8 tonight and the 6 handed tomorrow then day 1a and if I don't day 2 the 100K the LO8 sunday then fly home.

    oh and I got 18th in the 1st 100K so a good series so far.
    Edited By: nadatell Feb 16th, 2011 at 07:06 PM
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  19. ZenEnso ZenEnso is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 7:35pm) in reply to nadatell

    Bitches ain't shit.

    Well played friendo.
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 9:52pm) in reply to ZenEnso

    I wish I had a dollar for each time I get berated at the table, I could probably quit playing all together...lol
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 10:24pm) in reply to grinkem

    Totally defensible play, but even if you had done something that was more of faux pas, as long as it wasn't a breach of an actual rule, she has no right to berate you. Well she has the right, but it's stupid of her.
  22. txpokerguy txpokerguy is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2011 (2/17/2011 2:31am) in reply to nadatell

    I sent you a message because I'll be there tomorrow and we can talk about it more then.

    First, I play several live events each week. Let me ask you this. If you were the chip leader and had AK preflop and the ss shoved and the woman was in the SB and you were in the BB and you simply called after her call, then everyone saw you had AK after the hand was over, would you or would you not consider it a form of collusion to not reraise all in to chip up and play the big stack properly?

    With you hitting top pair, you are way ahead most of the time and you need those chips. It is not your responsibility to simply move up the ladder at the final table, but your resposibility to get those chips. You are a player of one, and that would be considered collusion to team up at a final table.

    Had this been an earlier stage, or extremely close to the money and you both had a decent stack with the pot not being tourney changing money, it would be a proper thing to get him out. Not here at the final table.

    Nice play bro.
  23. MurryTheCat MurryTheCat is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2011 (2/17/2011 3:42am) in reply to txpokerguy

    You had the right to bet as you made a hand. But that said if the chips were not going to massively change your stack getting the player out can be worth more then the possible chip gain. You say you playing to win, the counter argument to needing chips is, you cant win unless the other players are out.
  24. sqorpien sqorpien is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2011 (2/17/2011 6:06pm) in reply to MurryTheCat

    Good bet
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