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Live Tournament Hand I Can't Get My Head Around

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  1. udflyer udflyer is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 5:18pm)

    I was playing on Saturday in a $150 tournament at Wheeling Island Racetrack and Casino.

    We were down to the final 3 when a hand came up I really have been wondering about since then.

    Situation was this:

    Approximately 150,000 total chips in play.
    I had appromiately 80,000.
    Both my opponents had approximately 35,000.
    Top 3 spots being paid.
    Approximately a $500 difference between 2nd and 3rd places.
    Approximately a $700 difference between 1st and 2nd places.

    Blinds are 1000/2000 with a 500 chip ante.
    Aggressive player (on the button) raises to 7500
    Small blind (not aggresive) calls.

    I'm in the big blind. I look down at J8 clubs. In light of the real money difference, and the fact that the initial raiser has a huge range and the fact that the caller likely doesn't have much, it seems like an excellent spot for a squeeze play, so I push.

    Initial raise (aggressive guy) grumbles and folds.

    Small blind calls and turns over 3/5 diamonds.

    Its kind of funny, when he flipped over his cards, I looked at them and initially assumed he folded and that I must have heard him wrong. But I didn't, he did call.

    During the tournament, and after, I was very puzzled about his call. I can't figure out whether it was genuis or nonsense. I even asked him what his reasoning was behind the call when the hand was over but he didn't answer.

    I can theorize that he might have been thinking he had 2 live cards, in which case he might think he had the proper odds (or close to them) to call. But I think that discounts the fact I could have had a PP 5 or higher, or a hand with a 5 or 3 in which case his call doesn't seem to be proper.

    Of course, he could have also made a decision that his only goal was to win the tournament and he wasn't going to be able to do that if he folded, so he called, knowing that if he got lucky he'd be in great position.

    I didn't put the results in, because it really makes no difference, and, in the event I lost, I don't want to be accused of posting a bad beat story. I'll post them if anyone asks.

    I'd appreciate any thoughts on this hand. Thanks.
  2. elusively elusively is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 5:20pm) in reply to udflyer

    He obv put you on AK.
  3. Frictionless Frictionless is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 5:21pm) in reply to elusively

     
    Originally Posted by elusively View Post

    He obv put you on AK.

    And he was suited.
  4. pharreal87 pharreal87 is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 5:34pm) in reply to Frictionless

    your play was very good. u got initial raiser to fold and other guy to call off with 5 hi against ur J hi. i assume u lost the hand obv so just bad luck.
  5. Ser Davos Ser Davos is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 5:49pm) in reply to udflyer

    maybe the dude had somewhere to go...............i played in a live tourny one time and when it got down to 3 of us left i called an all in with 10 2 and i wasnt a short stack. I was hooking up with some friends i havnt seen in a few years ....50 man 100$ tourny too..............lol still remember the look on the dudes face when i called his ak priceless
  6. paidchex paidchex is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 5:56pm) in reply to udflyer

    OP is asking if there is any rhyme or reason to the sb's call, doesn't need/want remorse/congrats on his win/bad beat. You see how rarely OP makes a post? Least you can do is read it before responding...

    yeah OP, no idea why sb made initial call or all-in call. 5 high does not play well shorthanded.
  7. Randinho Randinho is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 6:02pm) in reply to udflyer

    There are a lot of reasons why he could have made that call but none of them are good. I love your play there too btw. Most of the time you pick up 15k uncontested and put even more of a stranglehold on the tourny.
  8. bluffslv bluffslv is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 6:08pm) in reply to paidchex

    I'm thinking he either thought he had two red 5s or something, or maybe it's his favorite hand (most likely imo).
  9. smheilbron smheilbron is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 8:26pm) in reply to bluffslv

    he obv put u on 22
  10. jimbones jimbones is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 8:50pm) in reply to udflyer

    "This is poker, son, not solitaire." DB
  11. Sir Elliot Sir Elliot is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 10:03pm) in reply to jimbones

    How long had you been playing?

    I think my perspective as a newer player who doesn't have a ton of experience might be useful here.

    Earlier today I was final tabling a 4.40/180, 3 of us left. Final 3 went on for almost an hour, as we were all p. evenly matched and had shared tables previously. There reached a point where I just burned out and lost interest, even though a lot of money (for me) was on the line. I was card dead, and realistically this could have gone on for another hour or more.

    I finally just decided I was done playing, had 2 big cards and was making a stand.

    You were at a B&M casino, and seemed to have done pretty well to have 80k chips.

    I think it's likely the guy just ran out of steam, had been card dead for a while, took a random stab, got reraised and decided he was tired of losing pots etc. "I've got 2 live cards, I'm taking a stand."

    I could be wrong, but I think I'm new enough that his play makes 100% sense to me if he just ran out of steam.
  12. udflyer udflyer is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 11:10pm) in reply to Sir Elliot

    That is as good an explanation as any, I suppose.

    However, we were only playing for about 5.5 hours. We had been 3 handed for quite some time however.

    Maybe he was tired of looking at garbage and just decided to make his stand hoping he had live cards, which he did.

    Very strange hand, is all I can say.
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