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  1. bkvt17 bkvt17 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2011 (7/22/2011 12:38am)

    Last night I was playing a $250 live tourney with 115 players. The structure is very fast you start with 5k and blinds go up every 20min. Within 1 hr the rest of the tourney is played with an avg stack of 10bbs or less. So there's a lot of luck and a lot of bad short stacked play.

    Final Table 4 handed, 1st-9k, 2nd-5k, 3rd-3.3k, 4th-2k. SB has 75k I am BB with 65k, UTG has 150k and Button has 250k+. A bunch of 2-5bb stacks just busted. Blinds are 5k/10k and UTG limps for 10k. Button folds and the SB shoves. I have A10d in the BB do you call off here?

    If this were a good or most any online player at this buy in and I thought he could raise pretty wide here based on fold equity and the stacks it would be an easy call right? This guy had been pretty tight and I wondered if his range might be much tigher, like a 3 bet range would be with bigger stacks. It seemed more natural for him to limp then jam based on what guys had been doing. I felt I still had plenty of fold equity for the next couple hands if I folded.

    So opinions, based on all that is this an easy decision? Thanks-
    Edited By: bkvt17 Jul 22nd, 2011 at 12:39 AM
     
  2. mdshack14 mdshack14 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2011 (7/22/2011 5:14am) in reply to bkvt17

    I was conflicted with my answer here. At first I was thinking fold but after thinking about it some more I think you have to call here. You're pretty short and don't have much time to make any moves. I feel like he could be shoving all of his pairs and any two broadway cards. If you're dominated there's just not much else you could do there.
     
  3. hussainsajwani hussainsajwani is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2011 (7/22/2011 6:32am) in reply to mdshack14

    very much depend on SB shoving range. if SB is a guy who I think can read the limp correctly (weak) and shove weak Ace or J10s kind of hands to push limper off then i would call. However, you do have fold equity and against an unknown i would fold here. even though u are "short" u are not "short" as the structure dictates.
     
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    Jul 22nd, 2011 (7/22/2011 7:13am) in reply to hussainsajwani

    But he really is "short". He has 65k at the start of the hand with 10k he has to put in for the BB plus whatever the ante is. So if he folds this he's in the SB the next hand with less than 50k giving him pretty much no fold equity at all.
     
  5. hussainsajwani hussainsajwani is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2011 (7/22/2011 7:40am) in reply to mdshack14

    i see ur point but let say SB is an old nitty dude who would flat AQ here for e.g. .... thats why i think its not always a shove but more player dependent than nething. u are right about fold equity i dont think he had FE since UTG has a lot of chips (next BB) unless UTG loses this hand then hero has fold equity if hand folds to him.

    Also ... ICM.
     
  6. douglasfryan douglasfryan is offline

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    Jul 27th, 2011 (7/27/2011 7:54am) in reply to hussainsajwani

    i think this is a call in this spot, a10 4 handed is a pretty strong hand and like they said you only have 50k left after your small blind and then only two hands to pick up a good hand before your back in the bb, i am calling this everytime even if the sb is a super knit, gotta give your self a chance rather than being blinded away
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    Jul 27th, 2011 (7/27/2011 11:08am) in reply to douglasfryan

     
    Originally Posted by douglasfryan View Post

    i think this is a call in this spot, a10 4 handed is a pretty strong hand and like they said you only have 50k left after your small blind and then only two hands to pick up a good hand before your back in the bb, i am calling this everytime even if the sb is a super knit, gotta give your self a chance rather than being blinded away

    Ya pretty much this. What other situation are you waiting for in a 4-handed game w 6.5bb to start the hand? Not to mention if the SB knows anything about poker he's shoving a variety of hands. Only way I'm ever folding this is if I know something specifically about the SB or the UTG limper.
     
  8. TheSplash18 TheSplash18 is offline

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    Jul 27th, 2011 (7/27/2011 1:51pm) in reply to adamsapple19

    Was UTG limping much or was this a one off?.....................If he is chronically limping then I think you get it in...............if its the first time he has limped I might be a bit more hesitant
     
  9. SlayNL SlayNL is offline

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    Jul 28th, 2011 (7/28/2011 6:37am) in reply to TheSplash18

    Read dependent but 4 handed, people are jamming any 2 broadway cards here, you're only crushed by 3 of them.

    I snap this off and don't feel bad at all if I run into AQo
    Edited By: SlayNL Jul 28th, 2011 at 06:38 AM
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    Jul 31st, 2011 (7/31/2011 12:13pm) in reply to SlayNL

    i think spash is right and this is dependant on the utg limper and what dynamics hes setting, folding is definately an option and doesnt hurt ur chance of winning as long as u keep up the shoving- of course some days this is an obvious call aswell though

    especially id be looking to push on the big stacks after folding this seeing the how much of a benefit it is to double off them and keep them vunerable.
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