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  1. Ship Happens Ship Happens is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:21pm)

    Were they seriously questioning him moving his last 3M in the dark when the pot was 13M???? Like he wasnt commited?? And lol @ hellmuth saying he would flat call with QQ 5 handed with these stacks and that he could get away from it....gordon makes me wanna hang myself tho hes so bad
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  2. az1969 az1969 is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:23pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    How do you feel about the reraise into the CL (who showed he was slowing down) with A Q?
  3. Zien50 Zien50 is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:23pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    I hate hellmuth...

    Rain was so committed i would have done same thing
  4. winwin07 winwin07 is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:25pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    If he knew he was committed why wouldn't he just shove preflop?
     
  5. jordankickz jordankickz is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:25pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    Yeah Phil's comments make me think he's not even that good at poker. Why would he just wanna look at the flop when he put 2/3rds of his stack in?
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  6. Ship Happens Ship Happens is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:25pm) in reply to Zien50

    No way i fold AQ to him....he raised 1.5Mill and i have 8Mill in my stack I insta jam. Making it 4.5 is the same thing if he calls hes expecting him to jus put him in preflop ne wat but Yang is a moron n jus said calll....same thing tho
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  7. TheWacoKidd TheWacoKidd is offline haters gonna hate

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:27pm) in reply to winwin07

    my head hurts
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  8. Desslock Desslock is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:27pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    I hate the shove in the dark - sure, he's almost certainly going to be called on a flop push, but why give up the possibility that the guy will fold his JJ on a KTT flop? There's no point to pushing in the dark, and you're possibly giving something up for nothing, however unlikely.
  9. az1969 az1969 is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:28pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    How about call and see a flop?
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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:28pm) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    lol@waco
     
  11. pokerjamers pokerjamers is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:30pm) in reply to az1969

    How about you spew your chips away?
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  12. odiggitydog odiggitydog is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:32pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    i brought up the same point in ur hand discussion thread, ship.
     
  13. odiggitydog odiggitydog is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:34pm) in reply to odiggitydog

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#eeeedd><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top> </TD><TD>Re(5): Main Event Final Table Hand Discussion Thread***
    by odiggitydog on 7/17/2007 18:26 </TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD colSpan=2><TABLE cellPadding=2 border=0 celspacing="0"><TBODY><TR><TD>helmuth and gordon are pissing me off. they play monday quarterback and barrage the players after the cards are shown. yang has been raising constantly, and they give khan grief over reraising 6 handed with AQ. gtfo. and they say it was dumb to go all in blind. theres too much in pot for yang to fold on flop anyway. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
     
  14. RayRoss87 RayRoss87 is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:43pm) in reply to odiggitydog

    phil hellmuth is mostly correct except for criticizing the allin blind push by Kahn, because at that point he was pot committed. Hellmuth has been doing this forever though and is probably the best NL Holdem Player in the world and has seen these situations thousands of times so he knows what to do.

    There is no need to always be willing to gamble everytime you see an A-K or A-Q. Even Johnny Chan said in his interview he'd wait for an ace <span>but</span> then wait for it to hit before risking his stack.

    In a structure like this it's more about the big laydowns and not getting involved in big pots if you cannot afford it. Right now the only player who can afford it is Yang.
     
  15. TheWacoKidd TheWacoKidd is offline haters gonna hate

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:45pm) in reply to RayRoss87

    AQ = insta shove there 6 handed

    the way Khan played it is perfectly fine as well, as it is essentially the same thing but actually will look stronger to some players...
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  16. Dedonkefy Dedonkefy is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:47pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    LMAO @ "should we turn the game over to clowns."

    grabs popcorn
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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:48pm) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    This kind of advice/play is exactly why you will never do anything in poker, sir! Pick up a book.
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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:52pm) in reply to Dedonkefy

    az who are you talking to by the way...

    and Waco im assuming you mean a-q is an instant shove on the flop right? def not an instant "gamble" preflop with 30bb although its not out of the question.
     
  19. bigboybunk bigboybunk is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:52pm) in reply to Dedonkefy

    Die Phil Gordon!!!"the public wouldnt even know who u were if it wasn't animated players."
    SFtrue

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  20. az1969 az1969 is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:54pm) in reply to RayRoss87

    Isn't my post directly under Waco's?
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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:55pm) in reply to RayRoss87

    ray u need to start valuing AQ, AK more. Im not flaming, I really just think you need to reevaluate their strentgh. 30BBs to a CL raise your money should get in the pot almost everytime.
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  22. FiGMan FiGMan is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 7:57pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    Ship not if it changes alot but he had 9+ mill not 8. Cuz he raised it 6 mill n still had 3 mill in dark so not sure exact numbers but it was prob 9.5 mill or so he had. thats quite a jam.
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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 8:03pm) in reply to mattg1983

    Why when your this deep do you need to jam here?? I understand the math that hes not calling most the time but I still think this is a mentality of the online world where your forced to move much quicker certainly because while you may be deep in another 10 mins you are on the short end with online structures. I just dont get shoving this many chips in the pot here. There comes a time when people can play deep and learn to play flops. I mean I know all the players who posted here,,, waco, mattg, shipp can play post flop so i just dont get it.
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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 8:03pm) in reply to mattg1983

    makes sense MattG.....im usually not getting away from hands like this actually but i disagree with the fact that people say you <span>always </span>have to gamble with these hands when youre down to 30bb especially if the tourney structure is good.

    and i think hellmuth, negranu, chan and other smallball players would agree with trying to see a flop in general and making a better decision.

    thanks for the advice though.
     
  25. mattg1983 mattg1983 is offline buying action

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 8:07pm) in reply to RayRoss87

    the thing is 30BBs isnt deep enough to be taking alot of flops.
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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 8:12pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    Phil Gordon and Phil Helmuth are both ass clowns. They have a bad habit of lumping bad internet players wth great ones and classify them all as "internet pokers". It is true that the majority of online players are horrible but that doesnt mean there isnt great online players.
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  27. pokerjamers pokerjamers is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 8:17pm) in reply to az1969

    hahahhahaahhaahhaaha
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  28. TheWacoKidd TheWacoKidd is offline haters gonna hate

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 8:19pm) in reply to mattg1983

    especially with how big live antes are... 6 handed 99^ AQ^, 30 bbs I'm all in all day over 1 raise, especially from CL...
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  29. Rocket Surgeon Rocket Surgeon is offline & brain scientist

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 8:19pm) in reply to az1969

    wow az, you do realize the person you are talking to has won over 1 million dollars in the past year? I hope this is really good sarcasm.
  30. az1969 az1969 is offline

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    Jul 17th, 2007 (7/17/2007 8:21pm) in reply to Rocket Surgeon

    Yea, but how much has he lost? And you assume 1 mil is a lot of money.
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