I ran into a guy Playing stud @ FW in 2004 who was wearing a WSOP bracelet. I was kinda star struck and started to ask him about it and he told me he bought it for $500 at a Pawn shop in AC in 2001. I thought it was pretty sad at the time, but Figured it probably happens mpore than I think. There is like 35+ events each year and not every winner remains solvent.

i remember a cpl years ago, going to play in a 100$ rebuy at the Orleans Hotel with gboro and ari...we get registered for the maybe 60 person field...and we see Cloutier just hanging around, bumming the free hot dogs asking for a stake in the tournament. looks like this isn't a new development :/

On the bright side, we've finally figured out how Hellmuth got all those bracelets.

I dealt dice to TJ for a bit. He couldnt have been any nicer a guy to deal too. The only difference between TJ and Phil Ivey is that Ivey because of his share of FTP has a more unlimited BR.. They are both degenerates of the highest order in terms of gambling but Phil is considered a hero and TJ is a laughing stock.

You're forgetting that Phil is a winner at Chinese, online cash games, Bobby's Room, etc. He has positive cash flow away from the pit, regardless of his cut from FTP.

TJ's a degenerate who hits the craps tables with every penny he has (and sometimes, with money that isn't his).

So, Fink, I think you should rephrase the initial statement to be "the only similarity between TJ and Phil Ivey is they both play craps."

I would sell the bracelet if I won it. especially if I was 70. He's not impressing anyone with it at his age. I would rather have the money, even if i was planning on blowing it.

 

Originally Posted by grapsfan

You're forgetting that Phil is a winner at Chinese, online cash games, Bobby's Room, etc. He has positive cash flow away from the pit, regardless of his cut from FTP.

TJ's a degenerate who hits the craps tables with every penny he has (and sometimes, with money that isn't his).

So, Fink, I think you should rephrase the initial statement to be "the only similarity between TJ and Phil Ivey is they both play craps."

How often do you play chinese poker with Phil Ivey to know he is a winner at it?

 

Originally Posted by lukaluka05

You guys don't get it....he is not comparing Haiti and TJ but saying you shouldn't laugh at peoples misery. If TJ is broke and addicted to gambling it's sad not funny.

I'm glad there's someone with a brain, and a heart on this forum. To all you people lol'ing at TJ's misery, I hope someday you all go bust, and have a forum ridicule your bad fortune. The guy is probably someone's husband, father, grandfather, uncle. Show some compassion. He is as much a degenerate as any of us poker players, just to varying degrees. What he has, and all of us have, is a disease. He probably has as much control over his actions at this point as the Haitians did of an earthquake hitting, which is to say none. So all I am saying is, you all should, how did someone put it earlier, GTFO?, who laugh at the failings of people like TJ, Stu Ungar, Tiger Woods, Michael Jackson, Brittany Spears, et al. You should feel sympathy for them and hope you never have to walk a mile in their shoes.

 

Originally Posted by RI Tony

I'm glad there's someone with a brain, and a heart on this forum. To all you people lol'ing at TJ's misery, I hope someday you all go bust, and have a forum ridicule your bad fortune. The guy is probably someone's husband, father, grandfather, uncle. Show some compassion. He is as much a degenerate as any of us poker players, just to varying degrees. What he has, and all of us have, is a disease. He probably has as much control over his actions at this point as the Haitians did of an earthquake hitting, which is to say none. So all I am saying is, you all should, how did someone put it earlier, GTFO?, who laugh at the failings of people like TJ, Stu Ungar, Tiger Woods, Michael Jackson, Brittany Spears, et al. You should feel sympathy for them and hope you never have to walk a mile in their shoes.

LOL @ gambling being a disease. It can become an addiction for some, but it's hardly a disease. That's like people claiming that alcoholism is a disease. It's the most pathetic copout ever. Some people in life are unable to take accountability for their actions so it's easier for them to blame it on something else.

Never have to walk in MJ's and Britneys shoes? LOL like they had it so tough the poor babies gimme a fucking break.

TJ Cloutier is an idiot for having zero self discipline. I don't think his situation is funny at all but at the same time I sure as fucking hell don't feel sorry for the guy.

Comparing mental case celebrities and degenerate poker players to the poverty stricken people suffering in Haiti is just plain retarded.

 

Originally Posted by dcodez

lol. jesus.. i just spit out my coffee

Welcome to 2 years ago...

such n00baments itt



our hero.

 

Originally Posted by Reech

such n00baments itt



our hero.

LMFAO!!!

 

Originally Posted by RI Tony

So all I am saying is, you all should, how did someone put it earlier, GTFO?, who laugh at the failings of people like TJ, Stu Ungar, Tiger Woods, Michael Jackson, Brittany Spears, et al. You should feel sympathy for them and hope you never have to walk a mile in their shoes.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooool. poor tiger.

i dont think anyone is happy to cloutier broke but at the same time they dont need to feel sorry for him.

also phil ivey gambles with money he can afford to lose and cloutier obviously gambled with money he couldnt afford to lose.

he shouldnt worry hes about to make 3K off his bracelet so he should be all good if he runs good at the craps table.

 

Originally Posted by poisoneye1986

he shouldnt worry hes about to make 3K off his bracelet

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