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ROFLMAO hahaahha priceless...auction thatOriginally Posted by 33mikemcg
LMFAO!!!
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Joined: Jan 06Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:29pm) in reply to jalman1
LOL I saw him ask a complete rando stranger for a stake at one of my satty tables. He started chatting this guy up after the guy asked for an autograph and after like 2 minutes hit him up for a stake, it was awesome. The guy gave it serious consideration and I think agreed to ship his lamers if he won the satty.Originally Posted by jalman1
spending most of the summer in the rio sng satty room it became common occurrence to see cloutier trolling for stakes or looking around the crowd for someone he knew to give him a buy in.
i dont feel bad for him or most degenerate gamblers they are after all how i make my living. people making sub-optimal game choices and playing in games they cant beat is something i dont feel bad about but wish more people would do it. for some people that happens to be the nightly 100k on stars for others its craps. ive seem some sick amount of gambling traveling to tourneys and gambling is def a disease im just not going to feel bad about these peoples lives while also taking money out of there pocket. -
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Joined: Aug 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:30pm) in reply to grapsfan
I doubt that Ivey is a winner at Chinese. But how can I know? And how can you know? Yes, he's a winner at online-cash. How he does in the Bobbys-room, I dont know. Let's say he's a winner (which he probably is).Originally Posted by grapsfan
You're forgetting that Phil is a winner at Chinese, online cash games, Bobby's Room, etc. He has positive cash flow away from the pit, regardless of his cut from FTP.
TJ's a degenerate who hits the craps tables with every penny he has (and sometimes, with money that isn't his).
So, Fink, I think you should rephrase the initial statement to be "the only similarity between TJ and Phil Ivey is they both play craps."
But jesus christ does he play a lot of craps. When you're gambling for 7-figs in a roll of a dice, you're a degen. And I'm guessing that he has lost a LOT at dice. -
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Joined: Aug 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:30pm) in reply to Jack_Ace75
I've never liked Cloutier but this is pretty ridiculous. He is an example of an old time pro who can't compete anymore with the young guns. I would never stake him in any field because he would just get steamrolled by any young online player. He always seemed like a loser to me but I never assumed he was a degen like I guess he is. Too bad for him.
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Joined: Mar 09Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:34pm) in reply to coolhandkev
This may be an advantage of online poker. Aside from some smaller sites that offer casino games, we don't have the same type of access to casino games and we have so much poker going on that there's no time or desire (for me atl east) to go gamble like that.
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Joined: Nov 09Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:34pm) in reply to RI Tony
GTFO of here feeling sorry for people who do stupid shit. If im going to go to an emotional level of, "feeling sorry for someone", it is because what happend was unavoidable. Now on the other hand if somebody does something so fucking stupid that consequences are huge im going to laugh at them, learn form THEIR mistakes.......if i feel sorry for anybody it is the parents, wives, children and family of these assholes.Originally Posted by RI Tony
I'm glad there's someone with a brain, and a heart on this forum. To all you people lol'ing at TJ's misery, I hope someday you all go bust, and have a forum ridicule your bad Fortune. The guy is probably someone's husband, father, grandfather, uncle. Show some compassion. He is as much a degenerate as any of us poker players, just to varying degrees. What he has, and all of us have, is a disease. He probably has as much control over his actions at this point as the Haitians did of an earthquake hitting, which is to say none. So all I am saying is, you all should, how did someone put it earlier, GTFO?, who laugh at the failings of people like TJ, Stu Ungar, Tiger Woods, Michael Jackson, Brittany Spears, et al. You should feel sympathy for them and hope you never have to walk a mile in their shoes. -
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Joined: Jan 06Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:35pm) in reply to ApesAreFun
I've heard that he gambles stupid high because a lot of people actually buy his action in craps so he's only gambling a much smaller amount of his own money.Originally Posted by ApesAreFun
I doubt that Ivey is a winner at Chinese. But how can I know? And how can you know? Yes, he's a winner at online-cash. How he does in the Bobbys-room, I dont know. Let's say he's a winner (which he probably is).
But jesus christ does he play a lot of craps. When you're gambling for 7-figs in a roll of a dice, you're a degen. And I'm guessing that he has lost a LOT at dice.
I've also heard that he's probably making relatively decent money/value because he has a good stop/loss method and gets crazy good comps from casinos. -
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Joined: Apr 09Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:40pm) in reply to blinkme2
^^ This... and calling people brainless when you believe that playing poker is a disease... Such a tool. Speak for yourself as far as disease is concerned. I can drop the game any time I want to and frequently take breaks. And I personally don't find it funny but I do not feel sorry for him.Originally Posted by blinkme2
GTFO of here feeling sorry for people who do stupid shit. If im going to go to an emotional level of, "feeling sorry for someone", it is because what happend was unavoidable. Now on the other hand if somebody does something so fucking stupid that consequences are huge im going to laugh at them, learn form THEIR mistakes.......if i feel sorry for anybody it is the parents, wives, children and family of these assholes.
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Joined: Jul 06Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:44pm) in reply to JasonBDizzle
watched him play craps during break of wpt champ. a few years back and he swore at me and my friend cuz he was losing, hope he never wins another penny as long as hes alive
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Joined: Mar 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:49pm) in reply to Drewdaddy19
Nobody has to feel sorry for TJ. However it is still a sad situation that they guy has a gambling disorder and is probably broke. Why people think it's "LOL" and come on this thread to piss on the guy speaks more about their character than TJ's gambling problem says about him IMO.Originally Posted by Drewdaddy19
^^ This... and calling people brainless when you believe that playing poker is a disease... Such a tool. Speak for yourself as far as disease is concerned. I can drop the game any time I want to and frequently take breaks. And I personally don't find it funny but I do not feel sorry for him.
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Joined: Apr 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:50pm) in reply to jtown1010
man after reading this I can't wait to get out of work to go to foxwoods tonight. I actually think i'm gonna leave early
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Joined: Apr 06Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:53pm) in reply to DBo Fo Sho
Ivey has almost 3 million in comps at MGM alone. So no telling what he has at Wynn/Bellagio
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Joined: Apr 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 1:57pm) in reply to EyeKnows
Too much garbage here to respond to. Feels like I'm talking to the wall. You people are so brain dead. My initial response was in response to the first 90% of posts which were laughing at the guy. Hell, the title of the thread is LOL TJ. Essentially, people are ridiculing someone who is in dire straits. I made the analogy, and it was an exaggerated one, that these same people probably laugh at the dire straits that the people in Haiti are in. The obvious distinction is that the Haiti situation was beyond their control, and TJ could have had some control of his outcome.
Which brings me to the gambling as a disease argument. I agree that accountability in today's society is a big problem. People always want to blame something/one else for their shortfalls. However, I also believe gambling addiction is a disease. That is why there is GA. And if any of you professional gamblers don't think you have a problem, try tearing yourself away from the computer screen or the casino for a month and see what happens.
Lastly, as for the MJ/Brittany comments, I don't think any of us has ever had a camera shoved in our faces and had our entire personal life on display for the whole world to see and analyze since we were the age of 5. Just like with Tiger (in response to yet another post), today's media loves to pump up unknowns and make them celebrities, put them on a pedestal, feed off their celebrity in terms of ratings and subscriptions, then tear them down off that pedestal, again to maintain their particular self-serving interests. How would you like to walk out to your car everyday having to fight past paparazzi? Christ, Tiger is trying to better himself, save a marriage/ his career, and yet he can't go to a clinic without being photographed having a coffee walking from one building to the next, and having the photos splashed on the front page of newspapers worldwide. How would you like that? Money isn't everything, and, yes I feel sympathy for these people.
I agree with a previous poster who said that people like to bash others because it makes their lives look better. Take a look in the mirror, people. -
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Joined: Jan 06Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 2:14pm) in reply to 33mikemcg
Yeah right, he probably has casino execs writing up 6 figure loss records as we speak.Originally Posted by 33mikemcg
HE just got divorced. FYP.
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Joined: May 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 2:28pm) in reply to LVpokerdealer
"What he has, and all of us have, is a disease. He probably has as much control over his actions at this point as the Haitians did of an earthquake hitting, which is to say none."
congrats, you just won the stupidest shi I have ever read on pocket 5's award. give me a freaking break. Even you cant honestly believe what you are saying. The so called disease you speak of is nothing more than greed. but ya thats probably pretty close to getting hit by an earthquake lol. -
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Joined: May 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 2:40pm) in reply to RI Tony
Do you understand the concept of a professional poker player? They play for a living, meaning their income comes from playing poker. That's like saying, "Stop going to your job for a month and see what happens." Doesn't make much sense does it.Originally Posted by RI Tony
Which brings me to the gambling as a disease argument. I agree that accountability in today's society is a big problem. People always want to blame something/one else for their shortfalls. However, I also believe gambling addiction is a disease. That is why there is GA. And if any of you professional gamblers don't think you have a problem, try tearing yourself away from the computer screen or the casino for a month and see what happens.
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Isnt durrrr a bigger a degen? durrrr needed Ivey and FT to bail his ass out
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Joined: Apr 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 3:03pm) in reply to blacklude
So, basically, you're saying a professional poker player can never take a vacation? He/she has to work everyday because they are a professional poker player? Look at Phil Ivey, Eric Lindgren, Daniel Negreanu: the guys can't even play golf to relax without putting some money (and by some I mean 10k or more per hole) down on the game. That's totally normal, right? No disease/ disorder there, right? So, if you can't tear yourself away from the computer or the casino for a few days, who are any of you to call someone else a degenerate???Originally Posted by blacklude
Do you understand the concept of a professional poker player?
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Joined: Apr 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 3:08pm) in reply to ryukenrock
I am so honored. Especially coming from a Nobel Laureate like yourself. My point, which is getting lost on all of you, is that you are pathetic for laughing at someone else's misery, irregardless of the cause.Originally Posted by ryukenrock
congrats, you just won the stupidest shi I have ever read on pocket 5's award.
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Joined: Apr 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 3:11pm) in reply to RI Tony
Most degens laugh at each other when they fk up because they have done this themselves and they know how stupid it was but they did it anyways so when another degen fks up they lol because it is actually kinda funnyOriginally Posted by RI Tony
I am so honored. Especially coming from a Nobel Laureate like yourself. My point, which is getting lost on all of you, is that you are pathetic for laughing at someone else's misery, irregardless of the cause. -
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Joined: May 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 3:19pm) in reply to RI Tony
Never said that, they take vacations like everyone else. I'm pretty sure everyone in here steps away every once in awhile to take vacation/spend time with family/etc.Originally Posted by RI Tony
So, basically, you're saying a professional poker player can never take a vacation? He/she has to work everyday because they are a professional poker player? Look at Phil Ivey, Eric Lindgren, Daniel Negreanu: the guys can't even play golf to relax without putting some money (and by some I mean 10k or more per hole) down on the game. So, if you can't tear yourself away from the computer or the casino for a few days, who are any of you to call someone else a degenerate??? -
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Joined: Sep 07Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 3:23pm) in reply to blacklude
Can anyone lend me $44 for the tourny on stars?
Username is Ohesere.
I'll pay back once I cash and done on the craps tables.
I PROMISE!!!!!!!!! ;) -
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Joined: Oct 08Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 3:29pm) in reply to rivercats
lol When I saw UP the 1st thing I thought of was TJ.
If TJ want's to dust off 10k at a craps table it's his life. But if it's his LAST 10k... he will have to deal with it. Pretty sure he's old enough to make his own choices.
And lol at people talking bad about Ivey. You realzie 10k to him is like $10 to you. He has sooooooooooooo much money. Him and Daniel and Lindren betting sick amounts at golf isn't a big deal to them.... because it's not a large amount to them. You realize Ivey plays 4000-8000 at Bellagio. The last time time I was at Bellagio Doyle and all them were playing 1500-3000 mixed. They are losing/winning 10k + a hand in their regular game. They could give a fuck about losing 50k on a golf course.
and RI Tony please go drink bleach. Ur so noble for coming in here on a high horse judging people. If people do stupid things they set them self up to be ridiculed. So LOL for anyone and everyone that consistently makes bad choices and don't expect to catch hell about it.
A wise man once said " Stupid is , Stupid does"
If I take my last bit off money for rent and go dust it off playing 4-8 ... I don't expect a hug. -
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Joined: Oct 09Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 3:57pm) in reply to Appst08
i didn't read the entire thread yet, but definitely thisOriginally Posted by Appst08
not only is he busto....he is in heaps of debt with many people.
been this way for years....idk where the stories are but there are some online....also know ppl irl that can vouche for this. He is a true degen that loves craps -
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Joined: Oct 09Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 3:58pm) in reply to ohesere
you might be able to bet the help on stars as they dont have craps, but dont ask to ship it to UB:)Originally Posted by ohesere
Can anyone lend me $44 for the tourny on stars?
Username is Ohesere.
I'll pay back once I cash and done on the craps tables.
I PROMISE!!!!!!!!! ;) -
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Joined: Jan 06Jan 21st, 2010 (1/21/2010 4:18pm) in reply to Reech
Oh man, the first one made me lol then this one made me fall out of my chair! TJ could raise money with a bake sale featuring these!
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