1. I know there's multiple ways too play this hand. I just wanna know what line do u prefer too take. I know table dynamics comes into play, but lets just say villian is an aggro opponent(s). Im Vinnie Verse for those of u who didn't kno

    PokerStars Game #30772995887: Tournament #180530769, $300+$20 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2009/07/23 0:41:06 ET
    Table '180530769 99' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: bluesboyjoe (3261 in chips)
    Seat 2: RickoT (8070 in chips)
    Seat 3: icallseat3 (32493 in chips)
    Seat 4: aww96 (37579 in chips)
    Seat 5: Mr. Jamil (26162 in chips)
    Seat 6: IveGotToejam (21038 in chips)
    Seat 7: moneytaker85 (10341 in chips)
    Seat 8: HooBangin (27037 in chips)
    Seat 9: Vinnie Verse (17325 in chips)
    bluesboyjoe: posts the ante 50
    RickoT: posts the ante 50
    icallseat3: posts the ante 50
    aww96: posts the ante 50
    Mr. Jamil: posts the ante 50
    IveGotToejam: posts the ante 50
    moneytaker85: posts the ante 50
    HooBangin: posts the ante 50
    Vinnie Verse: posts the ante 50
    icallseat3: posts small blind 300
    aww96: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Vinnie Verse [Qh Kh]
    Mr. Jamil: calls 600
    IveGotToejam: folds
    moneytaker85: folds
    HooBangin: folds
    Vinnie Verse: raises 1496 to 2096
    bluesboyjoe: folds
    RickoT: folds
    icallseat3: folds
    aww96: folds
    Mr. Jamil: calls 1496
    *** FLOP *** [Th 4d Ah]
    Mr. Jamil: bets 2097
     
  2. make it 5900 and obv call a shove
     
  3. how is this anything other than get it in somehow. whether that means raise/call or just pushing is debatable
     
  4. flat it up
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  5. your julian verses, re raise to 6k call shove and get there EZ game.
  6. oh my
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  7. i agree w/ raising ~6k and getting it in
     
  8. Question......wtf kind of hand limps UTG there and then leads the flop? 44?
     
  9.  
    Originally Posted by RunLikeAChettah View Post

    your julian verses, re raise to 6k call shove and get there EZ game.

    he's not playing on ftp sir
  10. Raise / call
  11. call and get max value on turn and riv when you bink royal obv edit: woops this is i spew chips..forgot to log benvo out
  12. fold, we all know stars bricks major draws, ldo
     
  13. flat all dizzzay
  14. I probably jamm over bet.
     
  15. def raise/call, i'd prolly make it something stupid like 5800 and let him spaz out
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  16. Definitely raise/call. I like around 5600ish. To those saying flat, that is absolutely ridiculous. You won't be getting many firsts if you play that tight. You flopped a monster draw, going into weak/tight mode will just result in chip bleeding. Pretty easy spot imo.
  17. raise/call for sure.
  18. fold he has an ace
     
  19. what types of hands is this guy limp/calling with than leading this flop? if hes gonna donk bet? sets, 2 pair, and AIR (if hes creative) give him a chance to bluff off more on the turn when u jam..what difference does it make when you jam...if hes a good player..ur flat there has to worry him...but maybe we are just content with playing big pot poker instead...the obv problem i know is brickin turn then he fires big or shoves but i think flatting freezes him. whatever just jam who cares..we have outs right?
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  20.  
    Originally Posted by plumber922 View Post

    fold he has an ace

    lolol
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  21. Post edited after realizing how much I suck at this game.
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  22.  
    Originally Posted by wildman75 View Post

    what types of hands is this guy limp/calling with than leading this flop? if hes gonna donk bet? sets, 2 pair, and AIR (if hes creative) give him a chance to bluff off more on the turn when u jam..what difference does it make when you jam...if hes a good player..ur flat there has to worry him...but maybe we are just content with playing big pot poker instead...the obv problem i know is brickin turn then he fires big or shoves but i think flatting freezes him. whatever just jam who cares..we have outs right?

    Dimitri fing Knobles speaks the truth and he speaks it well. College degrees are overated! and HOF is the Dumbest thing in poker! Results MR. Verse?
     
  23. if i were you i'd probably learn the difference between 'to' and 'too' before i got to worried about poker.
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  24.  
    Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank View Post

    Definitely raise/call. I like around 5600ish. To those saying flat, that is absolutely ridiculous. You won't be getting many firsts if you play that tight. You flopped a monster draw, going into weak/tight mode will just result in chip bleeding. Pretty easy spot imo.

    this is really narrow minded and you are clearly thinking about this the wrong way. the reason you would flat here is not to play the hand "weak" or "tight", but to get another street of value by shoving over a turn bet, because you think he either has air or a hand weak enough to fold to a raise, which will still be the case on the turn.

    there is no wrong play with this hand on the flop other than folding.
     
  25.  
    Originally Posted by mathclub View Post

    if i were you i'd probably learn the difference between 'to' and 'too' before i got to worried about poker.

    this calls for a nice big SUFB
     
  26.  
    Originally Posted by DFish View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank View Post

    Definitely raise/call. I like around 5600ish. To those saying flat, that is absolutely ridiculous. You won't be getting many firsts if you play that tight. You flopped a monster draw, going into weak/tight mode will just result in chip bleeding. Pretty easy spot imo.

    this is really narrow minded and you are clearly thinking about this the wrong way. the reason you would flat here is not to play the hand "weak" or "tight", but to get another street of value by shoving over a turn bet, because you think he either has air or a hand weak enough to fold to a raise, which will still be the case on the turn.

    there is no wrong play with this hand on the flop other than folding.

    WOW..someone else realized that inducing with K hi isnt the only way to play this hand.
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  27.  
    Originally Posted by wildman75 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by DFish View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank View Post

    Definitely raise/call. I like around 5600ish. To those saying flat, that is absolutely ridiculous. You won't be getting many firsts if you play that tight. You flopped a monster draw, going into weak/tight mode will just result in chip bleeding. Pretty easy spot imo.

    this is really narrow minded and you are clearly thinking about this the wrong way. the reason you would flat here is not to play the hand "weak" or "tight", but to get another street of value by shoving over a turn bet, because you think he either has air or a hand weak enough to fold to a raise, which will still be the case on the turn.

    there is no wrong play with this hand on the flop other than folding.

    WOW..someone else realized that inducing with K hi isnt the only way to play this hand.

    tbh im surprised everyone is so thrilled to raise/call here. the only thing you really wanna get it in against would be a lower flush draw, which is probably get it in regardless because random tards dont fold flush draws, or a bare T, which isnt gonna shove over ur raise anyways. raise calling is still an ok way to play the hand but imo straight jamming(to maximize probability of folding out a weak ace) or calling and shoving the turn are both better lines.
     
  28. darryll fish is easily the best poker player that regularly posts advice on pocketfives
    listen to the man and be grateful
  29.  
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

    darryll fish is easily the best poker player that regularly posts advice on pocketfives
    listen to the man and be grateful

    hmmm, except i disagree this time.

    is our hand not a GREAT semi bluff hand?

    we can get our oppenant off so many hands on the flop...that we may not be able to get off on the turn because our oppenant thinks OH HEY he flatted so now i must be good.

    and god knows what the turn can bring and really fuck up any FE we had
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  30. he wasnt saying shoving was a bad option...he was saying the raise to 6kish/call was the worst of the 3 viable options and everyone was pretty much leaning towards that option
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