[muck_AA]

Ok instead of putting up tons of single hand threads and having them get lost in the hustle of the Hand Advice forum I'm going to select 1 hand a day and post it to this thread.

Some hand will be pre-flop play and some will be posted in parts, any and all comments, help and flaming will be apriciated.

TY

[muck_AA]

Full Tilt Poker Game #7321252811: $10 + $1 Tournament (55552874), Table 45 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:44:20 ET - 2008/07/21
Seat 1: Gumz123 (2,870)
Seat 2: Bashful101 (10,855)
Seat 3: augustwest11 (21,018)
Seat 4: Finney777 (8,428)
Seat 5: mreasybaw (8,180)
Seat 6: Kevin_McCormack (3,220)
Seat 7: poupettecj (10,111)
Seat 8: Paps1 (2,364), is sitting out
Seat 9: muck_AA (4,940)
Gumz123 antes 50
Bashful101 antes 50
augustwest11 antes 50
Finney777 antes 50
mreasybaw antes 50
Kevin_McCormack antes 50
poupettecj antes 50
Paps1 antes 50
muck_AA antes 50
Bashful101 posts the small blind of 200
augustwest11 posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to muck_AA [7s 7h]
Finney777 folds
mreasybaw folds
Kevin_McCormack calls 400
poupettecj calls 400
Paps1 folds
muck_AA calls 400
Gumz123 raises to 2,820, and is all in
Bashful101 folds
augustwest11 folds
Kevin_McCormack raises to 3,170, and is all in
poupettecj folds
muck_AA ??????

[pkalevar]

fold,

if all your HH are going to be like this... i wouldn't bother dude.

[muck_AA]

 

Originally Posted by pkalevar

fold,

if all your HH are going to be like this... i wouldn't bother dude.

No, they all won't be like this.
it's just the first one.

but why fold? I thought I would get shove on this one simply based on my stack in relation to the blinds.

[cassettecounty]

 

Originally Posted by muck_AA

 

Originally Posted by pkalevar

fold,

if all your HH are going to be like this... i wouldn't bother dude.

No, they all won't be like this.
it's just the first one.

but why fold? I thought I would get shove on this one simply based on my stack in relation to the blinds.

a) Kevin limped in early position and is now going over-the-top all in to dude's all-in raise. He's sitting with a monster and limped expecting (if not HOPING) for a raise so he could get it all in.

b) There's simply too much action for 77 to be good right now. And, even if it is, you know you're seeing a flop with two players, so the odds of it holding up through the river decrease tremendously.

c) In your position, with all the limps in front of you, I don't mind the limp with 77. If you get to see a cheap flop multihanded and you hit a set, you're more likely to get paid off with so many people in. If you were in early position with your stack, an open shove preflop with 77 would make sense.

[thunderchild]

Middle pockets are tougth here,you need to see a cheap flop or gamble and shove pre.Since you limped and have been shown massive strength like AA or KK,then lay it down and find a better spot.

[threebanger]

I think the mistake is limping along and not shoving over the first 2 limpers. If Kevin has a monster so be it, but all our 3 limp did was induce Gumz and his super short stack to shove with any kind of garbage.

You have barely more than 10 bbs and an M of less than 5. You are shoving any pocket pair whenever you can get to the pot first. With 2 limpers ahead that's just about as good.

As played, fold and shove when you can be first into the pot, and now you should be shoving a very wide range.

[acp]

 

Originally Posted by pkalevar

fold,

if all your HH are going to be like this... i wouldn't bother dude.

GTFO DOUCHE

he clearly says in the thread title "make me a better player", so why wouldn't he post HH's like this.

it's not only about answering the question should i call, but it's also about figuring out the optimal play, which i think threebanger clearly spelled out when he said you should've pushed over the two limpers considering your stack size and blinds. so, basically cosign with threebanger and post more hands please i'lll continue to read these as it seems like pretty good beginner strategy and that is a plus for me.

[moman1965]

As played, you have to fold. Middle pairs play horrible 3 way. Also, I disagree with the preflop limp. You have to conserve chips at this point so you have really only 2 plays...shove or fold. No point in limping in to set mine with 12 BBs left in your stack. Preserve these chips for fold equity.

[muck_AA]

 

Originally Posted by threebanger

I think the mistake is limping along and not shoving over the first 2 limpers. If Kevin has a monster so be it, but all our 3 limp did was induce Gumz and his super short stack to shove with any kind of garbage.

You have barely more than 10 bbs and an M of less than 5. You are shoving any pocket pair whenever you can get to the pot first. With 2 limpers ahead that's just about as good.

As played, fold and shove when you can be first into the pot, and now you should be shoving a very wide range.

Thanks, I figured that I should be shoving.
Personally I think I've become quite a nit, especially in situations like this where I know I should be putting it in but can't bring myself to do it because " I know I'm beat" eventhough I know that sometimes I'm going to have to get lucky if I ever want to win anything.

Thanks to all responses, tottaly above and beyond what I expected.

muck_AA folds
Kevin_McCormack shows [Ac As]
Gumz123 shows [2h Ad]
Uncalled bet of 350 returned to Kevin_McCormack
muck_AA: 77
*** FLOP *** [Kh 4d 7c]
*** TURN *** [Kh 4d 7c] [8c]
muck_AA: ffs
*** RIVER *** [Kh 4d 7c 8c] [2s]
Kevin_McCormack shows a pair of Aces
Gumz123 shows a pair of Twos
Kevin_McCormack wins the pot (7,490) with a pair of Aces
Gumz123 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,490 | Rake 0
Board: [Kh 4d 7c 8c 2s]
Seat 1: Gumz123 (button) showed [2h Ad] and lost with a pair of Twos
Seat 2: Bashful101 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: augustwest11 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Finney777 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: mreasybaw folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Kevin_McCormack showed [Ac As] and won (7,490) with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: poupettecj folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Paps1 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: muck_AA folded before the Flop

[muck_AA]

Full Tilt Poker Game #7649614183: $3 + $0.30 Tournament (58086880), Table 16 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:21:41 ET - 2008/08/14
Seat 1: crack1em (3,305)
Seat 2: 9ballwizard (17,340)
Seat 3: HALVY0071 (1,835)
Seat 4: mikejoy (3,230)
Seat 5: muck_AA (2,200)
Seat 6: noyade (6,245)
Seat 7: KRSWun (12,435), is sitting out
Seat 8: cork321 (2,200)
Seat 9: outofthebox2 (2,620)
cork321 posts the small blind of 60
outofthebox2 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to muck_AA [Th 9s]
crack1em folds
9ballwizard calls 120
HALVY0071 folds
mikejoy calls 120
muck_AA calls 120
noyade folds
KRSWun folds
cork321 folds
outofthebox2 checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc Kc Js]
outofthebox2 checks
9ballwizard bets 540
mikejoy calls 540
muck_AA ?????

having the shit end of the straight and with the flush draw out there is it really a good idea to get it in here or wait for a better spot?

[threebanger]

Back to the first hand: you need to understand that Kevin made a HUGE mistake by limping there. Had Gumz and everyone else just ended up limping in, he was going to have to beat a huge field with his silly one pair and would've ended up getting busted out.

2nd hand: I don't like you limping in with that hand. Very small chance you flop anything that will let you continue, meaning 99% of the time you are just throwing away 120 chips. If you were opening the pot pre with that hand, I could maybe see you doing that.

Anyway, now you have the 2nd nuts. You have to get it in right now and hope that AT is not there (unlikely) or the flush draw doesn't get there. GL

[AFink93]

Keep it short..

1st Hand.. Shove.. Two limpers. .Lots of Dead money to pick up. .Limping is the worst possible play here.. Even folding isnt horrible.

2nd Hand. Insta Fold

IN general as a newer player you should be playing tighter.. When your first to enter a pot you should be raising. The hands you call raises with should be in direct proportion to how far away you are from the buttong.. If your in POS then you calling hands can be a little looser than if your calling a raise out of the SB.. If someone raises from the Cutoff and 1 guy calls from the Button and you look down at AJ in the Small Blind.. You Fold..

[tube1]

1st hand shove pre after the limps or fold. If you run into monster oh well..if they fold you increase stack by a 1/4...good risk/reward

2nd hand. fold pre...as played, all in all day every day post flop. You hit as best as you can when you call behind if they have nut straight, oh well. More likely flush draw, 2 pair or oesd/pair combo going to call and you have to fade a few outs.

[greggaymer1]

 

Originally Posted by threebanger

I think the mistake is limping along and not shoving over the first 2 limpers. If Kevin has a monster so be it, but all our 3 limp did was induce Gumz and his super short stack to shove with any kind of garbage.

You have barely more than 10 bbs and an M of less than 5. You are shoving any pocket pair whenever you can get to the pot first. With 2 limpers ahead that's just about as good.

As played, fold and shove when you can be first into the pot, and now you should be shoving a very wide range.

think this has got it just about spot on

[greggaymer1]

2nd hand fold pre but if u call and hit that flop just push with ur stack.i mean r u realy foding a straight there?????

[rivverkiller]

With 20ish bb's you should be either raising or folding 99% of the hands you play. You also shouldn't be making big laydowns.

Hand 1 shove pre

hand 2 Fold pre, but get it in on that flop

[muck_AA]

 

Originally Posted by greggaymer1

2nd hand fold pre but if u call and hit that flop just push with ur stack.i mean r u realy foding a straight there?????

if I don't have the absolute nutz then folding is always an option and with this hand it seemed like a set-up since I've been in this spot so many times.

Since it was for about the CL I had to get it in and hope for the best, and if I had raised/folded i could had the pot all to myself.

p.s. I have a love affair with 10 9, don't know why but I always want to play it.

muck_AA raises to 2,080, and is all in
outofthebox2 raises to 2,500, and is all in
9ballwizard calls 1,960
mikejoy raises to 3,110, and is all in
9ballwizard calls 610
mikejoy shows [8c 4c]
muck_AA shows [Th 9s]
outofthebox2 shows [Ks Qd]
9ballwizard shows [Kd Ac]
KRSWun has returned
*** TURN *** [Qc Kc Js] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [Qc Kc Js 5s] [Jc]
mikejoy shows a flush, King high
9ballwizard shows two pair, Kings and Jacks
mikejoy wins side pot #2 (1,220) with a flush, King high
outofthebox2 shows two pair, Kings and Queens
mikejoy wins side pot #1 (1,260) with a flush, King high
muck_AA shows a straight, King high
mikejoy wins the main pot (8,860) with a flush, King high
muck_AA: lol
muck_AA stands up
outofthebox2 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11,340 Main pot 8,860. Side pot 1 1,260. Side pot 2 1,220. | Rake 0
Board: [Qc Kc Js 5s Jc]
Seat 1: crack1em didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: 9ballwizard showed [Kd Ac] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 3: HALVY0071 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: mikejoy showed [8c 4c] and won (11,340) with a flush, King high
Seat 5: muck_AA showed [Th 9s] and lost with a straight, King high
Seat 6: noyade didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: KRSWun (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: cork321 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: outofthebox2 (big blind) showed [Ks Qd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens

[imanacehole111]

1st hand instashove and increase ur stack by 20% most of the time, get called and 50/50 against overs (doubling + 20% if u win), or be 80/20 against high PP.

2nd hand - of coarse its an allin, the results alone tell you have all 3 players beat. this hand should be in bad beats and not one to discuss

edit: 2nd hand fold pre unless its suited, even then its pretty close cause T9s is a hand you wanna use to bust someone with 40+BB. playing it with 18BB makes ur reward lower, making risk/reward higher

put some hands of urs that are regular occurances so you can improve alot more than these very specific/ez spots. for example, what to do with AJ/AQ/AT UTG/UTG+2, shoving ranges with 6BB, 8BB, 10BB, 13BB from which position. some flop/turn/river play this things will improve ur game the most

[Hitdog28]

easy fold here, your only hope is to hit a set and you are certainly up against one probably two better hands...

[Bulldogmafia]

Seat 5: muck_AA (2,200)

The button is in seat #7

Dealt to muck_AA [Th 9s]-

*** FLOP *** [Qc Kc Js]
outofthebox2 checks
9ballwizard bets 540
mikejoy calls 540
muck_AA ?????


For this hand, first with an M of 11 I really don't like this limp (this is a fold pre-flop or allin steal play in my opinion) with more chips then you can make plays like this, other wise it is a fold.

As played I would jam all my chips into this pot with the flopped straight. Any other action would just be terrible in my opinion.