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  1. G.I. Ace G.I. Ace is offline

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    Oct 31st, 2009 (10/31/2009 6:03pm)

    Avg stack is about 18k, I have no reads on villain.

    I thought he was doing the standard steal from the BB so I attempted to resteal. In MTTs I seem to get into the pattern of having the same sized stack for a long time until I get into a big hand, and this isn't really ideal because if I'm not catching cards I'm just blinding out, and that tends to happen. So I'm trying to mix it up, pick up a few pots here and there but I very often seem to be zigging and zagging at the wrong times...

    Is this a bad play (if so, why?)? If not, anything I should have done different? Bet more preflop? Give up on the flop? Any comments are appreciated.

    It is the daily dollar rebuy so it's filled with idiots, and maybe it's just not a good play to do this when many people just don't know how to fold in these low stakes tourneys...

    What do you lot reckon?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #15708256831: Daily Dollar Rebuy (115000976), Table 327 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:41:15 ET - 2009/10/31
    Seat 1: icegooner (19,715)
    Seat 2: Debz642009 (24,121)
    Seat 3: racobb (8,050)
    Seat 4: anmuru (16,298)
    Seat 5: DEMONN 93 (69,589)
    Seat 6: harsim (20,470)
    Seat 7: H8Rice (29,968)
    Seat 8: mhzmhzmhz (39,161)
    Seat 9: GRATTAN25 (10,404)
    icegooner antes 50
    Debz642009 antes 50
    racobb antes 50
    anmuru antes 50
    DEMONN 93 antes 50
    harsim antes 50
    H8Rice antes 50
    mhzmhzmhz antes 50
    GRATTAN25 antes 50
    GRATTAN25 posts the small blind of 200
    icegooner posts the big blind of 400
    The button is in seat #8
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to icegooner [8s 7d]
    Debz642009 folds
    racobb folds
    anmuru folds
    DEMONN 93 folds
    harsim folds
    H8Rice folds
    mhzmhzmhz raises to 1,200
    GRATTAN25 has 15 seconds left to act
    GRATTAN25 folds
    icegooner has 15 seconds left to act
    icegooner raises to 2,800
    mhzmhzmhz calls 1,600
    *** FLOP *** [Ks 2c 4s]
    icegooner bets 3,200
    mhzmhzmhz calls 3,200
    *** TURN *** [Ks 2c 4s] [Kd]
    icegooner checks
    mhzmhzmhz bets 4,400
    icegooner has 15 seconds left to act
    icegooner folds
    Uncalled bet of 4,400 returned to mhzmhzmhz
    mhzmhzmhz mucks
    mhzmhzmhz wins the pot (12,650)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 12,650 | Rake 0
    Board: [Ks 2c 4s Kd]
    Seat 1: icegooner (big blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 2: Debz642009 folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: racobb folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: anmuru folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: DEMONN 93 folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: harsim folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: H8Rice folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: mhzmhzmhz (button) collected (12,650), mucked
    Seat 9: GRATTAN25 (small blind) folded before the Flop
  2. Yankeesruleyou7 Yankeesruleyou7 is offline

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    Oct 31st, 2009 (10/31/2009 6:26pm) in reply to G.I. Ace

    fold preflop. You're out of position and 87 is not a good hand to play heads up. Theres no need to get impatient at this stage with an average stack, wait for a better spot to get your money in. I hate the cbet on the flop as well because you have hit absolutely nothing and you don't have any read on hands that the button may hold.
  3. odstore odstore is offline

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    Oct 31st, 2009 (10/31/2009 6:48pm) in reply to Yankeesruleyou7

     
    Originally Posted by Yankeesruleyou7 View Post

    I hate the cbet on the flop as well because you have hit absolutely nothing and you don't have any read on hands that the button may hold.

    Not this. If you're going to try to resteal here you should cbet that flop almost always.

    OP: I'm a nit so I just fold pf but you should be 3 betting more imo, at least 3300-3600. Turn is a bad card and a good time to shut down.
  4. Yankeesruleyou7 Yankeesruleyou7 is offline

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    Oct 31st, 2009 (10/31/2009 6:56pm) in reply to odstore

     
    Originally Posted by odstore View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Yankeesruleyou7 View Post


    I hate the cbet on the flop as well because you have hit absolutely nothing and you don't have any read on hands that the button may hold.

    Not this. If you're going to try to resteal here you should cbet that flop almost always.

    OP: I'm a nit so I just fold pf but you should be 3 betting more imo, at least 3300-3600. Turn is a bad card and a good time to shut down.

    Ok I agree if he attempts to re-steal the blinds than he should cbet the flop. That would be weak play. But I think its a pretty obvious fold preflop
  5. allin4flush allin4flush is offline

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    Nov 1st, 2009 (11/1/2009 1:47pm) in reply to G.I. Ace

     
    Originally Posted by G.I. Ace View Post

    I'm trying to mix it up, pick up a few pots here and there but I very often seem to be zigging and zagging at the wrong times...

    I was in much the same boat as you, where I'd get a decent stack and then basically blind it off when nothing worked for me. So I also tried shaking it up. It took a while to really find my real rhythm.

    I agree with the other two posters and my thought would be to continue raising/reraising light (this is the sort of hand to do it with too) but do so from position.

    I probably shouldn't admit this, but with a medium stack I pretty much just give up fighting in the blinds. So easy to get committed with a medium strength hand out of position.
  6. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    Nov 1st, 2009 (11/1/2009 2:11pm) in reply to G.I. Ace

    make it a little more, like 2975 or something.

    i like the cbet

    i like the shutdown on turn.

    u restole and took your chance at a cbet, nothing too terrible here, i like it
     
  7. domaducci154 domaducci154 is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2009 (11/2/2009 7:09pm) in reply to G.I. Ace

    obviously this situation should have never even occured. Folding preflop is undesputably the correct move here. To avoid your biggest problem, playing too tight, try getting into pots with playable hands in position. You mentioned this tourny was the daily dollar in which you are given 3k starting chips. Jump in with marginal hands in position. Maintain leverage and pot control through consistent small-medium size bets. You'l be suprized at how quick your stack can grow with out ever having to be all-in. And when you are all in, you'l likely have the nuts. Hope this brief word helps.

    Good luck,

    Dom
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