MA'in is one thing, it's cheating. To out some kid because you are a little tool, that is another thing. Dipthrong, honestly bud, you are one sad individual. Alot of things are done underage, i am not saying it should be done, but to out someone for doing something underage is a total toolbox move. Let whatever system is in place to catch them do so, who the fuck are you?

is he going to play tomorrow or did his accounts get frozen

So I guess the hot new rumor is that this was posted because these 2 were negotiating a backing deal which CD backed out of?

still active. sent 2 cents

 

Originally Posted by rocket5

Velllly intelesting...

<hr size="1"> Hello, somewhat new here, i made an account years ago and never used it, forgot all the info so i had no choice but to make a new one. It being my 1st post and a controversial issue, i dont expect to get much respect for what im about to do.

Here is a copy of the thread from another poker forum

http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-for...34?pageindex=5

For those too lazy here is what dip said

"I'm not going to beat around the bush here, I'll just get right to the point: there's an underage player who is a regular in the high stakes MTT's who has been cheating for way too long.

The culprit's real name is Brandon Barnes. He plays under the screen names "ThematadorCC" and "Completedonk." Brandon is 16 years old, as confirmed by his Facebook page ("Birthday: March 24, 1993"). While the screen names are clearly registered under someone else's names, they are used entirely by Brandon, and this rule infaction continues to fly under the radar.

As a long time professional tournament player who also backs dozens of others, I'm tired of this nonsense polluting the game. This has gone on long enough and I'm here to put a stop to it. I intend to bring this to the attention of the major poker sites and hope to see this little rascal go back to where he belongs: in homeroom."

It really got me thinking.... then fuming. Ive known Mark Herm for many years, long before he was an online MTT sensation and he was just grinding $20 sngs on AP. I forged a relationship with him, we became pretty good friends and had a falling out that would take too long to get into, so i know theres no reason to believe what im about to say, but i swear on my 3 children its the truth.

He is calling out this kid, who is a friend of a friend, i dont even know this <span>matadorCC</span> person. Funny thing is, i introduced Dip to SpiritSlayer (now known as DJK123) many years ago, when Dan was underaged.... did dip have a problem with staking him back then?? Nope.

Now Dip was already good friends with BigDogPckt5s when i met him, Dog was a better MTT player at the time then Dip, but Dip was a much better SNG player, so they basically traded knowledge and helped eachother for a bit. Not long into the relationship, they would frequently play on each others accounts in order to win TLBs on AP, aswell as play on each others accounts on other sites, and they shared all profits 50% for quite awhile (its been maybe a year and a half or two since ive been cool with either, so i cant speak for recently). It got to the point where when i saw one of them on the tables, i didnt really know who was playing, it could be Dip, it could be Dog it might even be DJK. Colluding in the same SNG was common for Dip and Dog, i never saw DJK take part in any of that, but at the tables.... no doubt they are colluding, and i have little doubt they still collude with friends, altho i guess its possible.

Dip and Dog would sometimes allow me to play tournys for them when they werent around, but only on their actual accounts instead of a stake, i even got 2nd in the 100r on Dogs account for 16k and they gave me 6 for it, i thought it was a low amount, but what could i say, who else is gonna let u play anything on the net on their accounts??

I never really knew what "ghosting" was until recently, but it was commonplace among the MHREP guys i knew (im not throwing them all under the bus, i was only friends with dip, dog, djk and mrbigcheese).

I dont know if dip is bi polar, he can be a helluva guy sometimes, but a ****ing dickhead other times, im sure you can figure out who this is Mark, you know you cheated so many times, its funny to me that you would call somebody out, even tho you didnt care when dan was underaged....

You talk alot of **** behind my back, you think your a big man now and untouchable, you know who i am, if you see me, get at me, you know your liar and a cheater and you calling the kettle black is the straw that broke this camels back, ppl should know the truth about you, from your cheating to win AP TLB years ago, to having multiple ppl on your account, flip flopping accounts with bigdog, colluding on sng tables (not a few times, im talking $100 sngs, 8 at a time) and just being an overall douchebag, enjoy the karma, if you have a problem with me, or cant figure out who this is (unlikely), i encourage you to persue it, i dont care if your better at poker, you cant treat ppl like dirt.

Take what you will from this folks, i offer nothing more then my 1st hand knowledge and what ive seen, i suppose im a very uncredible source, but i swear on my kids lives, every word is true. Ive made mistakes, im not the best guy in the world, but i dont go out there ratting out ppl because i dislike them, ive held onto this for YEARS, even tho alot of those guys abandoned me in my darkest hour, but ill be back bitches, and like i always won before, ill do it straight up, fair, i may not get as big, but ill have my own self respect.

oh let me add before it is asked, the reason i posted it here and not on p5s is because im banned there (not for poker stuff, for being an OT ahole)

oh, another funny tidbit, when djk was playing underaged for stars he got caught, but they still gave him his $ but closed the account... i would expect more from stars, dan couldnt play there for awhile so he had to use other ppls accounts, his friends Superdonk and MrBigCheese were also underaged (i like both those guys personally, but watch the company you keep) playing under false IDs at the time. Dan would have so much $ in his account, but couldnt cash it, it was a joke, come to think of it, in alot of way, every sites security was/is a joke, Dips account would be accessed and played on from different IPs in different countries, multiple times a week. Anyways i dont want to ramble on too much, im sure nobody cares of the inner workings of one of the biggest MTT poker cliques out there.

Ohhh boooyyy ...how come everyone who outs people for cheating gets burnt themselves ...WOW... people never learn that you shouldn't throw rocks if you live in a glass house?

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Online Poker is apparently a nasty business with much cheating, violating terms of service, ghosting, etc. If you play under age, or violate the terms of service in any way, you should understand that there may be consequences regardless of the motives of someone who might turn you in.

Because of the nature of online poker, it is nearly impossible for the sites to catch a substantial portion of the terms of service violations on their own. The other ways people get caught seem to include attentive players checking out people who have good results, someone outing themselves and through information obtained from personal relationships when those relationships go bad.

It is interesting to me that much of the current outing seem to be done as a result of relationships gone bad. The violations are ignored until someone pisses someone off and then the violations are made public. This is when the motives are examined and the name calling begins and the snitching comments begin, again.

You all get what you deserve. To expect morality, honesty and loyalty to rule the day when there is so much easy money at stake is to ignore the realities of the status of online poker, regardless of whether you are the violator, whistleblower, friend, backer or crew member.

The hypocrisy is outstanding. Some have no problem with violating the terms of service if they don't think there is any "cheating" going on, yet become offended when the violator is outed. Others have no problem with violations of the terms of service until the offender pisses them off and then use the long known violation as a means of retribution or getting even. Both scenarios are morally bankrupt.

The bottomline is that if you are a participant in the shady side of online poker, you may or may not get what is coming to you, but when the shit does hit the fan be a fucking man about. I know that will be hard for many of you since it is probably not in your genetic make up to accept responsibility for your actions or you would not have been in that type of a spot in the first place. Whether you are the violator or the whistleblower, if you can't accept responsibility or the consequences then you should keep your mouths shut, you knew what you were doing and you knew there would be consequences.

As for all the friends, nuthuggers and others who feel the need to justify any of the shady conduct or violations of the terms of service, you are just as bad as the perpetrators and come off as pitiful characters in these scenarios.

This post is not intended as a comment toward any individual as I do not have adequate information to make any judgment on any specific situation, but is simply my general observations on the issues of terms of service violations and the means by which they are made public.

I am well acquainted with real world nasty business, immorality, lack of loyalty, cheap tricks, shady conduct and the rules by which they are governed.

It is always the people with the unclean hands who are the most aggrieved.

I can't tell if you are a lawyer who is fed up with his job or a client who is going through some shit. But anyway, get well soon, either way I feel your pain.

Just a real shame that all this posts really achieves is just to highlight how many hella bent players there are out there. wfp.

 

Originally Posted by MeJahAndOmaha

THIS. You can't be a part-time cop.

The HS regs know of so much shady business going on and typically just lol about it, as long as it doesn't affect them directly. Calling people out only if/when their actions directly affected YOUR wallet, is weak.

Either try to clean up the game without bias or leave the cleaning up to others. This type of one-off informing just makes it look like a highschool popularity contest.

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why on earth doesnt this tread get more replies, is this forum undersome kind of stasiregime??

i dont give a fuck about the underage part im talking about the
thread from another poker forum

Multiaccounting, ghosting, colluding, pokerbots, cheating sites. These are the things that online players need to be concerned with. This dude is complaining about an underage player because of sudden personal reasons which is super fucking weak. It's great that so many people know about shady shit going on yet they only make it known to the community when somebody has a vendetta with someone. Nice timing man. I betcha you just woke up this morning and wanted to do the right thing. Ya fucking right.

 

Originally Posted by witcher1984

lol he owns me when is 16 or w/e idc, sucks that he is 16 when he owns me tho, get over it<INPUT id=gwProxy type=hidden><INPUT id=jsProxy onclick=jsCall(); type=hidden>

 

Originally Posted by slizza420

Ummm I have a degree dipshit and one of my bros is a doctor. Go ahead people and keep whining about underage players. Complain because you can't beat a 12 year old. That really makes a lot of sense. O lemme guess people are just super concerned about these younger kids playing because they are looking out for the youngster's best interests. Give me a fucking break. Spin it however you want. I thought it was bs when people tried to oust Annette. Bitch ass haters.

First of.....LOL @ my bro is a doctor. HOF

Second your analogies are for legal things, where playing underage is againt to TOS. Get it? Prob not.