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  1. Chris_aus23 Chris_aus23 is offline

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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 4:06am)

    Poor mikey. 30 players to go in the main event, Mike holds AJ vs A9. Flop AA5. turn 9. river K. finished 30th should have made it to the final table with this pot...ah well
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 4:07am) in reply to Chris_aus23

    Sorry Lobsta

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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 5:20am) in reply to Chris_aus23

    you make it seem like they were all in pre... flop went check/check and all the money went in on the turn... still a sick hand tho obv
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  4. L0bstaM0bsta L0bstaM0bsta is offline OT Podcast Host

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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 5:21am) in reply to thefuture021

    LoL
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 5:37am) in reply to TheWacoKidd

     
    Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd View Post

    you make it seem like they were all in pre... flop went check/check and all the money went in on the turn... still a sick hand tho obv

    The guy with A9 probably would have folded had Mike c bet IMO
     
  6. cmval cmval is offline

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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 5:40am) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    Waco posted at 4:20
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 5:46am) in reply to Chris_aus23

    sucks, woulda made great TV to see him at the FT again.
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 5:55am) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

    not sure what the exact stacks were, I think Mike 3x'd the innitial raise pre and the guy flatted. I don't see that guy calling the rr pre and getting that flop and folding.

    If anyone has the hand w/ stack sizes it would be good to see.
     
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 5:59am) in reply to Drinking Buddy

     
    Originally Posted by Drinking Buddy View Post


    The guy with A9 probably would have folded had Mike c bet IMO

    I agree. I usually fold A9 to a continuation bet on an AA5 after calling a pre-flop re-raise in the blinds. ... No, wait...
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 6:26am) in reply to Chris_aus23

    it was pretty bad mike was playing very nit the dude should never have called mikes 3 bet preflop even if he had position on him
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 7:51am) in reply to Chris_aus23

    <span>Mike Matusow Eliminated in 30th Place ($193,000)</span>

    And this one is gonna hurt for awhile. Paul Snead raised to 200,000 and Mike Matusow reraised to 660,000 from the big blind. Snead called, and they saw an Ad-Ah-5s flop. Both players checked, and when the 9hcame on the turn Matusow bet 500,000. Snead moved all in, Matusow called, and that's when Mike learned that his Ah-Js had been overtaken by Snead's Ac-9c. The Kc came on the river, and with that Mike Matusow's run in the Main Event came to an end.
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 8:04am) in reply to Chris_aus23

    193K should last him what, 2 hours?
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 9:24am) in reply to Chris_aus23

    Sucks that Hellmuth or Matusow didn't final table this. Like them or not, if you can't see how it would be good for poker as a whole, I'm sorry.
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 9:39am) in reply to rocksolid124

    Nobody's crying more about this than Harrah's and ESPN. There are now 27 players left and not one big name star. Brandon might get there but he's not on Phil or Mike's level.
     
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 10:04am) in reply to cliff819

    The guy had A9 suited when he called off 20% of his stack to Matusow's preflop reraise. Does anyone really think he was folding his trips on the flop if Mike bet?
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 10:08am) in reply to Chris_aus23

    Say what you want about the money going in on the turn when Mike was already waaaay behind, but any way you slice it his opponent's call pre is TERRIBLE.
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 10:09am) in reply to ltquick

    I think the guy was joking about the fold after the flop, I think he was referencing the guy that said the money didn't go in until the turn as if it would have mattered if the money went in on the flop.

    It would have been cool to see one of the big name pros go against the others at the finals.
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 10:33am) in reply to toddm902

    Could he have gotten away here after the raise on the turn? the only thing i think he is beating is a10 in this spot, and that could very well end up as a chop. He is losing to the 55, 99, ak, aq, and obv a9. I don't think the guy flats him pre with much less a9 but i could be wrong i guess? i also see the guy flatting the turn with pocket pairs like 66 77 88 1010 and jj, as opposed to shoving. If matusow would have been left with more than like a mil in front of him after a fold to a raise on the turn, i think this is a bad call
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 10:41am) in reply to kwkramer

    oh kwkramer just shut up, stop spewing garbage.
     
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 10:44am) in reply to kwkramer

    LOL, exactly what he said, don't post so much garbage when your cluelessssssss, jesus where do you people come up with this
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 10:58am) in reply to RTehansky

    apparently the guys who had the A9 was "loose" to say the least. meaning he has a wider ranger here, and is folding less. tough break. the 9 doesnt fall the guy doubles mikey easy.
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 11:19am) in reply to Chris_aus23

    So sick; I really wanted to see Mike do well. FTign this and the 05 ME would have been quite an accomplishment.
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 11:32am) in reply to Camz

    OK, here's my question. I think the blinds were 30-60K (and maybe 5K antes) at that point with Mike having 2.7 mill and the other guy (Paul Snead) 3.3. mill.

    Once Matusow reraises Paul Snead's original raise of 200K to 660K, isn't it now a shove (or maybe reraise to 2 mill effectively putting Mike all in) or fold situation for Snead? Maybe if he has AA or KK and he's fairly certain Mike would fold to a reraise preflop, he could flat and let Matusow c-bet, but other than that, how can he possibly flat call that rereaise there without it being a huge mistake? Also, he's not acting first after the flop, so it's not like he can stop and go either.

    Does this guy even understand some of the basic concepts regarding stack sizes and blinds? How good must these people like him, Yang and Rahme have to run to make it this deep?
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 2:02pm) in reply to Drinking Buddy

     
    Originally Posted by Drinking Buddy View Post

    The guy with A9 probably would have folded had Mike c bet IMO

    all I was doing was sorting out the facts of the action on the hand... not saying it would have played out differently... jeezuz
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 2:24pm) in reply to the_snail03

     
    Originally Posted by the_snail03 View Post

    oh kwkramer just shut up, stop spewing garbage.

    Leave the garbage spewing to me.
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 2:26pm) in reply to ltquick

    Tournaments are all luck.
     
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 2:29pm) in reply to ltquick

    HEY Mikey!! Nice run at the WSOP ME. We were rooting for ya!! Much respect!!
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 2:33pm) in reply to SnakeDaRake

    Yeah it was an obvious bad play. Wacokid you talked about hellmuths bad play and now your talking about this. If you think your better then why aren't you in it? A lot of online players are hating on them. But they are bringing in the funds.
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 2:49pm) in reply to AceTactics

     
    Originally Posted by AceTactics View Post

    Yeah it was an obvious bad play. Wacokid you talked about hellmuths bad play and now your talking about this. If you think your better then why aren't you in it? A lot of online players are hating on them. But they are bringing in the funds.

    I didn't realise you had to be better someone to talk about how they play.

    I assume everyone I hear dumping all over Farve in OT must be better quarterbacks than he is, otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to talk about him then.

    Oh, and you're not allowed to talk about Waco. Or me. Or most of the other players on here then if that's the rules we're going to follow.

    thx for clearing that up for us.
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    Jul 14th, 2008 (7/14/2008 3:23pm) in reply to AceTactics

     
    Originally Posted by AceTactics View Post

    Yeah it was an obvious bad play. Wacokid you talked about hellmuths bad play and now your talking about this. If you think your better then why aren't you in it? A lot of online players are hating on them. But they are bringing in the funds.

    Waco was not hating on anyone, wtf?
     
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