With his recent $436K win I think this should cement him as the best..although this years WSOP hasn't shown him in the best light as they always seem to show him getting all his money in bad..small sample size obv. though.

Too many good players for there to be a definitive best. He's obv up there tho.

 

Originally Posted by ShipThisPLZ

ivey, hellmuth.....hes up there

Ivey is at the top hands down, everyone else can fight for 2nd. However Hellmuth is NO WHERE near it anymore. A couple of years ago, maybe as soon as 2 years ago I really respected his game and dsicipline. There was this one WSOP episdode where he played a final table and I believe there was a girl named Beth there as well where he continually got 3bet and he would make still make the right decision and not tilt. At this year's Main Event he played like a donkey yet continues to insult other players saying theyre the worst players in the world and he fails to realize he is the one playing like complete shit.

 

Originally Posted by MuteAsasin87

Ivey is at the top hands down, everyone else can fight for 2nd. However Hellmuth is NO WHERE near it anymore. A couple of years ago, maybe as soon as 2 years ago I really respected his game and dsicipline. There was this one WSOP episdode where he played a final table and I believe there was a girl named Beth there as well where he continually got 3bet and he would make still make the right decision and not tilt. At this year's Main Event he played like a donkey yet continues to insult other players saying theyre the worst players in the world and he fails to realize he is the one playing like complete shit.

My understanding is Hellmuth final tabled a WSOP event this year. Not up to his usual standard since he has something like 17 WSOP bracelets, but I'm fairly sure that final tabling any WSOP event is still hard. I think with Hellmuth, maybe he'll never again be the best player in the world at any given time, but he may not be finished winning WSOP bracelets either. Also, he just might adapt to the new style of play, or the paradigm could shift again and his soon be optimal again when he's the world's last tight player.

What's funny about Hellmuth is how awful he is on televised cash games and how much of an ass he makes of himself on camera. It makes it seem like he isn't that good, but his patience, consistency, and reading ability always make him a threat in any tourney. Didn't he also bust 45th in the ME a few years ago?

he used a lot of skill at that 1k wcoop final table ....LOTS of it

dude, theyre tournaments. and hes run sickhot in 5 or 6 of them. just lol

Don't be dumb. Why do people even start these threads?? 2 years ago it was Elky, then DJK when he ran hot in wcoop, then Yev Timmyshankhoez when he hit multiple big scores, 6 months from now u'll say someone else, year later same thing.

The guy is a sicko, he's won a WPT title, a WSOP title and now a WCOOP. He makes it look like he doesn't even need to run good at all. All he needs is a good tournament structure. I still don't understand how he manages to actually WIN the tournaments. I mean even solid players can't always actually come out a winner so many times. Maybe the UNiverse intended for some players to be luckier than others... otherwise he's just a beast.

 

Originally Posted by Duffy08

he used a lot of skill at that 1k wcoop final table ....LOTS of it

This...while he's up there, definitely not close to the best, but better than 95% of the rest! Ohhhhh, I can rhyme.

 

Originally Posted by MarleyGroup

Hes good, def not the best tho. And why has no one mentioned Bryn Kenney in this argument?

Probably because he doesnt have a WSOP braclet and multiple EPT wins and a high roller NAPT win......

 

Originally Posted by Ugottook420

Probably because he doesnt have a WSOP braclet and multiple EPT wins and a high roller NAPT win......

this has 0 to do with the fact that hes way better at poker than mercier. Dude runs like god in big live birds, yea hes sick but theres this thing in mtts that comes into play alot, its called variance and its pretty fkin huge.

Everyone always jumps on the bandwagon of a person on a heater. Brynn is the best imo

 

Originally Posted by Ugottook420

Three year heater???

You phrase that question as if it would be absurd that a heater could last for 3 years, yet what you fail to realize is that you would achieve a bigger sample size in 1 month of griding hard online than you would in 3 years of playing the live circuit.

 

Originally Posted by MarleyGroup

this has 0 to do with the fact that hes way better at poker than mercier. Dude runs like god in big live birds, yea hes sick but theres this thing in mtts that comes into play alot, its called variance and its pretty fkin huge.

you mean theres actually a thing as positive variance that explains heaters? wow im blown away...

on a serious note, theres no doubt hes very good, you just cant win as often as he has without being good, but hes also running hotter than the sun right now which obv helps a ton

edit: as far as being the best, it seems highly unlikely and really difficult to name somebody the best, but if u had to name somebody the best, it still has to be Ivey.

edit2: also to put his run in perspective, im pretty sure I read in Bluff magazine in his interview that he only played ~45 live mtts in 2009 and he was named player of the year, somebody can correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure the number was less than 50 for the year.

um he won the most recent big donkament obviously hes the best in the world