Middle pair in Sit-n-Go

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  1. Johnny Johnny is offline

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    Jul 1st, 2007 (7/1/2007 6:29pm)

    The middle pairs out of position in these types of games always bother me. Would you have bet the flop here with two overcards, and if so how much? Feel free to critique...

    Hand #43969771-77 at SnG-0015q (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
    Started at 30/Jun/07 12:03:20

    darkhawk-2000 is at seat 0 with 3425.
    rip_2pac_big is at seat 2 with 3785.
    JohnnyVegas1 is at seat 5 with 2090.
    Keyara is at seat 6 with 2450.
    miguelcampos is at seat 7 with 820.
    theprint is at seat 8 with 2430.
    The button is at seat 7.

    theprint posts the small blind of 50.
    darkhawk-2000 posts the big blind of 100.

    darkhawk-2000: -- --
    rip_2pac_big: -- --
    JohnnyVegas1: 7s 7c
    Keyara: -- --
    miguelcampos: -- --
    theprint: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    rip_2pac_big folds. JohnnyVegas1 raises to 375.
    Keyara folds. miguelcampos folds. theprint folds.
    darkhawk-2000 calls.

    Flop (board: Th 4d Jc):

    darkhawk-2000 checks. JohnnyVegas1 bets 400.
    darkhawk-2000 calls.

    Turn (board: Th 4d Jc 8d):

    darkhawk-2000 checks. JohnnyVegas1 checks.

    River (board: Th 4d Jc 8d As):

    darkhawk-2000 checks. JohnnyVegas1 checks.

    Showdown:

    darkhawk-2000 shows Ah Qh.
    darkhawk-2000 has Ah Qh Th Jc As: a pair of aces.
    JohnnyVegas1 mucks cards.
    (JohnnyVegas1 has 7s 7c.)

    Hand #43969771-77 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    darkhawk-2000 wins 1600 with a pair of aces.

    Being the first in, was I wrong to bet the flop with two overcards? How about checking the turn after he called the 400 flop bet?
  2. godawgs85 godawgs85 is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2007 (7/2/2007 5:16pm) in reply to Johnny

    With mid-pair like you have there I would've probably just called preflop and hope for a set unless everyone was playing very tight and you could take the blinds. The blinds here aren't too high yet and you can still be somewhat conservative. With 6 players still left, your odds of running into a hand are greater than even 5 players. With 5 players, the raise would be a better move to take the blinds with since everyone will be tightning up even more and the blinds are likely to be larger. With two overcards I would be very hesitant to bet, unless your opponent is a rock. If you get reraised or called down how much do you know about your opponent's hand compared to yours. You know your either beat or a small favorite to his drawing hand. Not worth it to risk a lot of chipsat this point in the SNG. Hope this helps, I find myself having difficulties with midpairs in SNG's as well. Good luck.
  3. sotti sotti is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2007 (7/2/2007 5:42pm) in reply to Johnny

    yeah your preflop raise was too much too.

    Althought I can't understand how AQ can call a bet like that on the flop, AT or AJ has him crushed, and AK or a PP is still way ahead.
  4. MetalGod MetalGod is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2007 (7/2/2007 6:39pm) in reply to Johnny

    I disagree with whoever said the preflop raise was too much...it's between 3 and 4x the blind...seems perfectly fine. I think you have to take a shot and bet out again on the turn. Your flop bet was a little weak, but he shouldn't have been calling you with just ace high either.

    Betting with the overcards out there is fine if you think you have the best of it or if youre thinking you can get him to fold.
  5. NetFan44 NetFan44 is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2007 (7/2/2007 6:56pm) in reply to MetalGod

    this hand is rediculously standard, cont bet didn't work so you shut down, fine as played
  6. sotti sotti is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2007 (7/2/2007 8:24pm) in reply to MetalGod

    I don't like raising more than 3x the BB in a sng as an opening bet, because it generally doesn't acutally discourage anyone. All it generaly does is build a bigger pot which then requires a bigger c-bet and can emotionally/mathmatically commit your opponent to the pot.

    obviously if you have QQ and 3 limpers infront of you, making it 5x the BB isn't a bad idea at all.
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