I'm watching the Super Tuesday and every raise preflop is a min raise. I thought it was a limit tourney for a minute. Could someone enlighten me as to the theory behind this concept.

miamigreen

I'm no big winner but two things jump to mind. 1. Negreanu's Small Ball strategy at Poker VT. The kind of players who play the Super Tuesday are generally subscribers to a ton of training sites. 2. They're just also good so they don't mind people calling them from the blinds bc they will then have position and the betting lead.

the crazy part was that mostly people were folding to the min raise even
though with the blinds and antes they would be getting around 5 to 1 to
call. I know these guys have a plan but i'm failing to understand it.

 

Originally Posted by miamigreen

the crazy part was that mostly people were folding to the min raise even
though with the blinds and antes they would be getting around 5 to 1 to
call. I know these guys have a plan but i'm failing to understand it.

then your failing to understand poker. Please get rid of your "it's 5:1 to call with my J2o" theory and you'll become better at this game

with stacks as they are at the end of a lot of tournaments, such as 20-30bb, most good players arent going to be flatting raises in general, rather theyre going to be folding or 3betting. if these good players arent flatting (lets assume the players at the FT of the 1k are good), then you are better off minraising rather than 2.5-3xing so you can save chips when you do get 3bet

the whole concept of 'getting good odds to call a raise preflop' becomes less and less relevant as stacks become shorter

 

Originally Posted by Goldenad

with stacks as they are at the end of a lot of tournaments, such as 20-30bb, most good players arent going to be flatting raises in general, rather theyre going to be folding or 3betting. if these good players arent flatting (lets assume the players at the FT of the 1k are good), then you are better off minraising rather than 2.5-3xing so you can save chips when you do get 3bet

the whole concept of 'getting good odds to call a raise preflop' becomes less and less relevant as stacks become shorter

+ 1

i also find that in low- mid stakes, the min raise tends to just annoy people, and i find they make more mistakes pre and post

 

Originally Posted by SJUHawks18

Poker players are a lazy breed and its easier to min raise than to type in numbers
/thread

do you minraise live? Live Pro

 

Originally Posted by SCTrojans

People don't defend wide enough out of the big blind in particular, even to a minraise.

This is mainly because most ppl are horrid postflop

Control the size of the pot; play opponents in position when they flat in the blinds; with shallower stacks, the difference between 2.5x and 2x is not that big of a difference in terms of who is going to be folding, who is going to be re-raising, and who is going to be calling.

 

Originally Posted by gymrat56

I'm no big winner but two things jump to mind. 1. Negreanu's Small Ball strategy at Poker VT. The kind of players who play the Super Tuesday are generally subscribers to a ton of training sites. 2. They're just also good so they don't mind people calling them from the blinds bc they will then have position and the betting lead.

Im subscribed to zero training sites. I dont play 1ks on the reg tho, but still.

 

Originally Posted by gymrat56

I'm no big winner but two things jump to mind. 1. Negreanu's Small Ball strategy at Poker VT. The kind of players who play the Super Tuesday are generally subscribers to a ton of training sites. 2. They're just also good so they don't mind people calling them from the blinds bc they will then have position and the betting lead.

If anything Daniel learned it from the online guys

 

Originally Posted by SCTrojans

People don't defend wide enough out of the big blind in particular, even to a minraise.

+1

and im not as experienced as u are but all the ppl sayin they love the min raise cuz it opens up ranges it has other effects tho. it means its tougher to range opponents, youre going to get 3b alot more often by players in position (and with all of the hood flatting going on means ur min raise is costing u), it means you better be pretty good postflop and be able to play alot of weird spots for value or get away from certain value hands because im in the bb with J4s and ur AJ is gonna get stacked on the J43 board. i think a ton of players are min raising that should not be min raising at all, its more of a leak in their game but w/e doesnt bother me one bit to play against min raisers, it allows me to call alot of hands in position that id be folding if it was for the open min...

 

Originally Posted by SJUHawks18

Poker players are a lazy breed and its easier to min raise than to type in numbers
/thread

^^

I 100% agree with gags30............. People are defending extremely wide in the blinds .

because they have finally moved up to the $1k buy ins where people respect their raises... so they can raise fewer chips obv

 

Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank

What SCTrojans said. People just don't defend wide enough. A lot of mtters seem to think people defend too wide and that they shouldn't be defending that wide. They are completely wrong. It has nothing to do with perceived post flop edge, it's literally that they are getting 5 to 1 on a call. They only need to win the pot 1/5 times to make calling neutral EV, of course this wont be the case, you should be winning more of them to make up for the reverse implied odds of having a wider range. Even with 20 bb stacks people should be defending wider. And the range widens as you get deeper. Of course if you are bad, you should just be folding all the hands you're likely to have huge reverse implied odds with, but then you shouldn't be playing in the first place. Fact is, most mtters aren't that great at postflop play and most know that they aren't so they don't defend wide enough to begin with which makes min raising profitable/optimal.

agree with this all, except that most mtters aren't going to win the pot 1/5 times. Thus they shouldn't be calling that wide Im pretty sure u said this in your post, i just wanted to reiterate to most novice players that calling this wide isn't profitable when you aren't a capable player