I think when you say he is not raising deepstacked the flop thats an assumption being made given that villain is semi/ competent.
But you know nothing about him; thus when he check raises the turn he can legimetelly have a flopped flush.

can't see taking a high variance line against a readless villian so early. Not knowing anything about him or tendencies I think it would be tough to think he's gettin this creative on the turn with air this early into the tourney. As far as ranging the villian to hands where you think your going to fold out worse think that is pretty difficult to do 2 orbits in...

I mean the line you take here looks insanely strong but only as strong as the player your in the hand against. If he blows hes gonna at least call with a ton of his range hes raising with on the turn imo... Dont think im tellin you stuff you don't already know though lol not sure what exactly your looking for :(

I was pretty sure this was a level so i played along.

 

Originally Posted by Gags30

i think you're giving a random in a miniftops infinitely infinitely too much credit for being capable to make moves and make big laydowns and would guess that like Ax4d just snaps you off a lot of the time

100% agree with this. Also I think you're giving too much credit that a random can make a lay down, even with a mediocre holding...

LMAO

Pretty sure stevie is aware that 64o isn't a very strong hand pre-flop and that a 6 high flush draw with bottom pair is not great in terms of relative hand strength.

So, if in fact, this is not a huge level and U r seeking advice, what kind of advice r u seeking that u r not going to already know? u clearly had a read/strategy with this hand, u r clearly a srong player, im only assuming ur not ranked because ur playing way more live, but if u want a strategy thread on this one, u r only going to be able to even consider .02% of the responses cuz the other 99.98% woulda folded pre or simply dont have the poker knowledge to comprehend hands like this one to give optimal advice. I mean optimally fold pre or atleast to that check raise on the turn, I like to keep poker simple

And ya u may have sick hand reading skillz but u also have to consider some very unorthodox hands in spots like this. Where somethin dont make sense but thats because it shouldnt where he binked something dumb. fold pre, or fold turn, or do what u want

 

Originally Posted by stevie444

Had just latereg'ed like 2 orbits ago so no reads. I think when he doesnt c/r this flop really deepstacked the chance of him having sets and flushes diminishes significantly and the rest of his range is pretty weak (Ax,8x, pocket pairs with a diamond,one high diamond, straightdraws with a diamond) so I decided to barrel with the intention of firing 3 a decent amount. Anyways, whether you like or dislike the barrel plz comment on the hand as played anyway since the rest of the hand is more interesting.

Thanks

key statement in bold. Poker is about deception, u say his chances diminish significantly, and ur read may be right here, but there is still a chance that he does have set or flush. Why continue??? I cant believe Im typing. I just got leveled

Even better tho is the "no reads" statement

pre is fine, i like betting the flop and the turn also but once they check raise im folding. I just dont think a random in a 200 buy in is gonna be c/r light at 15-30. Also do you have an ftops jersey? I think that may make it even less likely that they bluff. I also doubt they have a set or flush but AX with a diamond is a real possibility and so are a ton of 2 pairs. I dont think a random folds a medium strength ace or any 2 pair making the river bet pretty meh.

 

Originally Posted by jeppg1111

So, if in fact, this is not a huge level and U r seeking advice, what kind of advice r u seeking that u r not going to already know? u clearly had a read/strategy with this hand, u r clearly a srong player, im only assuming ur not ranked because ur playing way more live, but if u want a strategy thread on this one, u r only going to be able to even consider .02% of the responses cuz the other 99.98% woulda folded pre or simply dont have the poker knowledge to comprehend hands like this one to give optimal advice. I mean optimally fold pre or atleast to that check raise on the turn, I like to keep poker simple


And ya u may have sick hand reading skillz but u also have to consider some very unorthodox hands in spots like this. Where somethin dont make sense but thats because it shouldnt where he binked something dumb. fold pre, or fold turn, or do what u want



key statement in bold. Poker is about deception, u say his chances diminish significantly, and ur read may be right here, but there is still a chance that he does have set or flush. Why continue??? I cant believe Im typing. I just got leveled

Even better tho is the "no reads" statement

Not sure how this would be a 'huge level'. I made a play that I wasn't sure if it was good so I asked a few ppl on my aim list and got mixed responses so I decided to post it on p5s and 2p2 to get the opinions of other players I respect but dont talk to regularly on aim like gags/marroca/pikappraider etc and I couldnt care less about the inevitable trolls flaming me so why not post?...I can always easily dismiss dumb responses about the hand like yours. Also, personally I dont like to keep poker simple because I enjoy poker less and dont win as much when im an autopiloting drone waiting to cooler ppl just cos its a soft tourney. Would you prefer me to post simple hands I already know the answer to?

ty for the serious responses

my thought process:
pre: weeeeee its folded to me on the button and im 1 tabling and im deepstacked with fish and theres antes = funfunfun
flop: std cbet
turn: decided his range was weak enough to barrel given he didnt c/r flop on a board that is scary for all but the nuttiest hands...sets and small flushes are seen as very vulnerable hands on this board by most players and in my experience, weak players have a tendency to 'protect their hand' in these situations most of the time because they dont want the 4th flush card to come. Plus I have a lot of outs vs (or am ahead of) the majority of his range when he calls turn.

after he c/r, I decided that his small sizing was not very consistant with strong hands since we are rly deepstacked and he would want to get more money in by this point and just seemed like he was tooling around to me and im getting 3:1 to float vs a range that I think includes a nonzero amount of bluffs and doesnt contain any value hands that arent really really hard to get.
riv: obv im floating turn to bet when he checks. I chose a larger than normal bet because I thought KdX was a decent part of his range and I thought he would be less likely to look me up than if I bet smaller.

Anyways results were that he folded but i'm glad i posted and confirmed my suspicions that it was too sloppy without more history with the guy. My mistakes as pointed out by ape/others was forgetting the fact that river is a reverse implied odds street for meaning he has to be bluffing a decent amount more than the 25% we need with just straight pot odds and although I am confident he is bluffing a decent amount of the time I cant assume he is bluffing as high as like 50% or w/e it needs to be and there are too many players in this tournament that are just clicking buttons.

well said ape