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Misplayed QQ?

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  1. EradEcator EradEcator is offline

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 1:49pm)

    I know it should probualy be in H.A. but I figure I'll get more feedback here

    pokerstars Game #13790445122: Tournament #69788242, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/12/11 - 09:23:18 (ET)
    Table '69788242 56' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: turlino (5520 in chips)
    Seat 2: sanderoooo (2250 in chips)
    Seat 3: F1SH&CHIPZ (15902 in chips)
    Seat 4: plumber922 (12185 in chips)
    Seat 5: tjalle (3202 in chips)
    Seat 6: RichardJM67 (16736 in chips)
    Seat 7: New Shawboy (8810 in chips)
    Seat 8: Janice7776 (10055 in chips)
    Seat 9: mcyver51 (12475 in chips)
    RichardJM67: posts small blind 100
    New Shawboy: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to New Shawboy [Qc Qh]
    Janice7776: folds
    mcyver51: calls 200
    turlino: folds
    sanderoooo: raises 2050 to 2250 and is all-in
    F1SH&CHIPZ: folds
    plumber922: calls 2250
    tjalle: raises 952 to 3202 and is all-in
    RichardJM67: folds
    New Shawboy: raises 2050 to 5252
    mcyver51: folds
    plumber922: folds
    *** FLOP *** [5c 9c Kc]
    *** TURN *** [5c 9c Kc] [9s]
    *** RIVER *** [5c 9c Kc 9s] [Jh]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    New Shawboy: shows [Qc Qh] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
    tjalle: shows [Qd Kd] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
    tjalle collected 1904 from side pot
    sanderoooo: shows [Ac 8c] (a flush, Ace high)
    sanderoooo collected 9300 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 11204 Main pot 9300. Side pot 1904. | Rake 0
    Board [5c 9c Kc 9s Jh]
    Seat 1: turlino folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: sanderoooo showed [Ac 8c] and won (9300) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 3: F1SH&CHIPZ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: plumber922 folded before Flop
    Seat 5: tjalle (button) showed [Qd Kd] and won (1904) with two pair, Kings and Nines
    Seat 6: RichardJM67 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: New Shawboy (big blind) showed [Qc Qh] and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines
    Seat 8: Janice7776 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: mcyver51 folded before Flop
  2. Camz Camz is offline

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 1:51pm) in reply to EradEcator

    By golley I hope this is a joke.
  3. EradEcator EradEcator is offline

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 1:54pm) in reply to EradEcator

    i wish, i personaly see it as a insta-muck.
    but am involed in a debate otherwise.
    all input/ me flaming welcome
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  4. Diggs Diggs is offline

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 1:54pm) in reply to Camz

  5. Diggs Diggs is offline

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 1:55pm) in reply to EradEcator

    Played fine....don't be results orientated.
  6. EradEcator EradEcator is offline

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 2:00pm) in reply to Diggs

    i didn't think i was, lol but TY
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  7. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 2:03pm) in reply to Diggs

    lol donkaments
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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 2:06pm) in reply to EradEcator

    I think that I would have either went all in or fold. Grant it the results would have been the same. I am surprised that plumber didnt call off another 2000 to win 11,000.
  9. KMan1564 KMan1564 is offline

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 2:07pm) in reply to kmil420

    TBH with 3 shoves in front of me, I muck QQ.
  10. zippyflounder zippyflounder is offline

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 2:16pm) in reply to EradEcator

    i dont get the shove with a 8 suited, ok she is at 10x bb but damn..your call in light of the hands you were up against was fine imo.
  11. EradEcator EradEcator is offline

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 2:20pm) in reply to zippyflounder

    yea, it's not a bad play if the cards were delt face up, but I don't think I ever call with QQ there.
    ( this is NOT me with QQ in HH)
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  12. sketchy1 sketchy1 is offline Dangerzone

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 2:37pm) in reply to EradEcator

    it's an $11 tournament, i prob wouldn't fold JJ.
      

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 3:09pm) in reply to sketchy1

    This may sound bad and I really do not mean it too..but is there really a different way to calculate what is and is not a +ev decision based on buy-in? I don't know why but it upsets me when I see posts like this. While I understand a $10 tourney is not a big deal to you high stakes guys...to some of us it is and it always seems like people get brushed off or do not get sound advice just because it isn't a 100r. Would you really call off in a 3 way all in with JJ the way the hand happened? I am pretty sure you wouldn't so why tell the guy that? He is looking for advice and to give him bad advice just because he is playing micro/mid tourneys is not nice at all.

    I am not trying to attack you personally Sketchy (although it may come off that way)..just these type of posts in general.
  14. sketchy1 sketchy1 is offline Dangerzone

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 3:14pm) in reply to Camstock

    yes because $11 players are much more likely to put their money in light (as in A8 and KQ as they just did). it's not rocket science. the lower the buyin, the lower the skill level, the wider a player's range usually is.
      
  15. JKamikazeKid JKamikazeKid is offline

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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 3:24pm) in reply to Camstock

    Advice from a player that plays similar level to you for what it's worth....

    A shove, shove behind you, even though QQ is a very strong hand, I'd probably go into the tank on this.

    My initial thoughts: 1st All-in was with A-J+, 2nd All-In is a pocket pair 10's ~ A's and its an all-in above the first so the goal was to isolate. I should not be involved with this hand.

    Problem: QQ is a strong starting hand and the 3rd nuts to start. AA and KK can be likely cards given the action, but its hard to know since I have no idea what the other players' ranges are. (Don't know how tight/loose they are).

    Benefit of calling/re-shoving: 3-way isolation: you're getting approx. 2.8-1 on the money you invest in. Add that to the fact you are still alive in the tourney since you're not the one all-in here.

    I likewise would have re-shoved to isolate out the other players to act in front of me.

    I don't know much about +/-EV, I'm not a software program or calculator, but given the information above, I would re-shove like you did in this position. You were favored against both players when the cards were flipped up, just got unlucky.
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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 3:25pm) in reply to sketchy1

    So it is a good idea to push all your chips in with QQ when facing a ep limp then a mp shove...another flat from mp then another shove on top of that before it even gets to you? I definetly agree that money sometimes goes in pretty light in the lower levels...but is QQ still ahead in this situation with all of this action in front of you and still an ep limp to act after you? I am not sure obv or I wouldn't be posted but I can't see calling here....what would be the reasons for calling if you don't mind me picking your brain for a minute?
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    Dec 11th, 2007 (12/11/2007 3:26pm) in reply to sketchy1

    actually, the lower the buy-in, the lower the roll of the person playing. Doesn't necessarily have to do with skill. There are plenty of donkeys playing $109+ because they can afford it, doesn't mean they're any better at poker than the person that plays a $10+1.
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