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MMadness: am I just reshoving this spot?

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  1. ScAlpZ ScAlpZ is offline

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    Jul 29th, 2010 (7/29/2010 10:03pm)

    w/o any reads on PFR and BB, is this obv a reshove from SB w/ ~40bb's? i was slightly unsure as to how I should go about iso'ing here, and I'm pretty sure I mistepped:

    Full Tilt Poker Game #22670577113: Midnight Madness! (173766046), Table 96 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 01:10:42 ET - 2010/07/29
    Seat 1: Captain Wunk (4,410)
    Seat 2: 2takeurchips (850)
    Seat 3: Joey Grindz (3,790)
    Seat 4: wayneinfl (810)
    Seat 5: Mike3257 (4,320)
    Seat 6: AgSweep (720)
    Seat 7: Gotcha 1968 (3,540)
    Seat 8: Kfed87 (1,320), is sitting out
    Seat 9: sCaLpz (5,120)
    sCaLpz posts the small blind of 60
    Captain Wunk posts the big blind of 120
    The button is in seat #8
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to sCaLpz [Ah Qc]
    2takeurchips raises to 850, and is all in
    Joey Grindz folds
    wayneinfl folds
    Mike3257 folds
    AgSweep folds
    Gotcha 1968 folds
    Kfed87 folds
    sCaLpz... ...?
  2. PocketPJW PocketPJW is offline

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    Jul 29th, 2010 (7/29/2010 10:11pm) in reply to ScAlpZ

    Shove always.
  3. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    Jul 29th, 2010 (7/29/2010 10:11pm) in reply to PocketPJW

    jam, a 3-bet iso, are viable options here
     
  4. moobob moobob is offline

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    Jul 29th, 2010 (7/29/2010 10:24pm) in reply to Appst08

    What do you hope to gain by iso'ing? You're in the sb? You only have one player left to worry about in the bb. I'd say your move depends on what you know about the player left to act here.

    With one player left to act pre-antes, I don't really think there is much of a difference between a call and an iso... No need to jam either...
    Edited By: moobob Jul 29th, 2010 at 10:25 PM
     
  5. super plaaayer super plaaayer is offline

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    Jul 29th, 2010 (7/29/2010 10:59pm) in reply to moobob

    yes
     
  6. Donnie2005.2 Donnie2005.2 is offline

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    Jul 29th, 2010 (7/29/2010 11:21pm) in reply to super plaaayer

    I'd say I'm jamming a lot here....Calling isn't too bad either tho, certainly dont wanna see BB wake up with a hand (which he obv did in this case) but just calling the allin makes for sticky situations....

    Really tho....in this mtt, Jamming all day is the way to go imo
     
  7. JmL1984 JmL1984 is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2010 (7/30/2010 3:25am) in reply to Donnie2005.2

    Easy jam. If you call and the big blind also calls than you are asking for trouble post flop. Unless you nail the flop you really are screwed because you have no idea what the bb has, u r out of position in a big pot, at that point there isn't much fold equity to try a stop n go and your stack isn't healthy enough
    to just donate 10bbs.

    A 3bet with these stack sizes doesn't make any sense.

    A jam could possibly get the big blind to fold small pocket pairs. If you call and the bb has a small pocket pair they will either jam and make you make the tough decision or call and see a flop, in which case you are out of position in a big pot and have no idea where you are at in the hand.

    Just shove, of the bb wakes up with qq+ or ak so be it. If the bb calls with 22-jj you are in a standard flip for a 75-100bb pot. Make him make the decision for his tourney life, don't put that pressure on you.
    Edited By: JmL1984 Jul 30th, 2010 at 03:41 AM
  8. el arracachero el arracachero is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2010 (7/30/2010 3:51am) in reply to JmL1984

    just call here, theres not need to isolate here
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    Jul 30th, 2010 (7/30/2010 5:02am) in reply to el arracachero

     
    Originally Posted by el arracachero View Post

    just call here, theres not need to isolate here

    Why? Do you intend to call a shove? Do you c/f or b/f a flop if you miss?
  10. Morgss Morgss is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2010 (7/30/2010 8:34am) in reply to PocketPJW

    Id jam
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    Jul 30th, 2010 (7/30/2010 8:43am) in reply to ScAlpZ

    without any reads, yes it is a jam.

    Obviously things could be different w/ reads. If, say, UTG was a huge nit, obviously you'd fold. If the bb was a huge nit, you'd call the all-in and fold if he jammed (I guess?) If bb is a maniac, you'd call the all-in and hope the bb spazzed out and jammed which you'd obv snap off.
  12. Pghfan987 Pghfan987 is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2010 (7/30/2010 9:05am) in reply to RUBINH

    Don't jam. Call. Call the BB's shove.
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  13. RUBINH RUBINH is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2010 (7/30/2010 9:13am) in reply to Pghfan987

     
    Originally Posted by Pghfan987 View Post

    Don't jam. Call. Call the BB's shove.

    It's a $10 mtt though--- isn't it likely the bb flats, which would suck for us? I think it makes more sense just to jam our whole range here, but what do I know.
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    Jul 30th, 2010 (7/30/2010 7:31pm) in reply to Pghfan987

     
    Originally Posted by Pghfan987 View Post

    Don't jam. Call. Call the BB's shove.

    Midnight madness doubt we get a re-shove lighter than AQ in a readless spot pre antes.

    I like a jam
     
  15. ScAlpZ ScAlpZ is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2010 (7/30/2010 8:34pm) in reply to Pipes06

     
    Originally Posted by Pipes06 View Post

    Midnight madness doubt we get a re-shove lighter than AQ in a readless spot pre antes.

    I like a jam

    this sounds right to me, for sure.

    damn, i actually don't know... Now, I love the idea of flatting, and getting jammed on. but i absolutely hate the idea of the BB flatting behind and having to proceed from there (which is a definate possibility in this tournament)
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  16. el arracachero el arracachero is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2010 (7/30/2010 8:56pm) in reply to PocketPJW

     
    Originally Posted by PocketPJW View Post

    Why? Do you intend to call a shove? Do you c/f or b/f a flop if you miss?

    I think just calling here creates a good argument both ways given the pot is not that big.

    1. If BB is spewy or agresive, let the guy hang himself when he shoves as we are getting decent odds to call. Even if original shover is ahead of us, we are playing a good side pot here.

    2.If BB is really weaktight, he is not coming over the top light and we may have room to exit the hand.

    And if BB flat calls, its a meh spot with no a lot of effective stack behind. In this case, I am either bet/commiting my self or check folding depending in board texture and BBs tendencies.
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    Jul 30th, 2010 (7/30/2010 8:59pm) in reply to el arracachero

     
    Originally Posted by el arracachero View Post

    I think just calling here creates a good argument both ways given the pot is not that big.

    1. If BB is spewy or agresive, let the guy hang himself when he shoves as we are getting decent odds to call. Even if original shover is ahead of us, we are playing a good side pot here.

    2.If BB is really weaktight, he is not coming over the top light and we may have room to exit the hand.

    And if BB flat calls, its a meh spot with no a lot of effective stack behind. In this case, I am either bet/commiting my self or check folding depending in board texture and BBs tendencies.

    he said with no reads
    jam
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