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Is this a monster??? 40k $75 buy-in on FT

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  1. JamesGordon00 JamesGordon00 is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 9:03pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #10233413252: $40,000 Guarantee (77381651), Table 14 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:49:57 ET - 2009/01/24
    Seat 1: zooot1 (26,130)
    Seat 2: joenguyenn (19,402)
    Seat 3: JULZZ7 (21,062)
    Seat 4: shortseller6 (10,531)
    Seat 5: bmwnick1 (15,715)
    Seat 6: Pokerccini (7,294)
    Seat 7: Therocker0 (14,881)
    Seat 8: Skully18 (11,884)
    Seat 9: phoenix21xx (10,207)
    zooot1 antes 50
    joenguyenn antes 50
    JULZZ7 antes 50
    shortseller6 antes 50
    bmwnick1 antes 50
    Pokerccini antes 50
    Therocker0 antes 50
    Skully18 antes 50
    phoenix21xx antes 50
    Skully18 posts the small blind of 200
    phoenix21xx posts the big blind of 400
    The button is in seat #7
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Therocker0 [Jh Jc]
    zooot1 calls 400
    joenguyenn folds
    JULZZ7 folds
    shortseller6 folds
    bmwnick1 folds
    Pokerccini folds
    Therocker0 raises to 1,350
    Skully18 folds
    phoenix21xx has 15 seconds left to act
    phoenix21xx folds
    zooot1 raises to 5,100
    therocker0 ?????????

    zooot1 has not been overly aggro but has been been making plays at pots.

    Is this an insta fold or an insta shove?? I don't think flatting is an option what so ever.
  2. 99NvrLosez 99NvrLosez is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 9:08pm) in reply to JamesGordon00

    fold, utg limp reraise is uhge
  3. ttplaya ttplaya is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 9:11pm) in reply to JamesGordon00

    I am not a very experienced tourny player so maybe someone can explain why flatting is not an option. If his range is QQ-AA, AK, then shoving doesnt nothing as he will instacall. Why not reevualate after the flop? IF an A or K comes you can get away and still have some chips to play. If its unders you shove then and if he flips QQ-AA then it would have been same result.

    PS I think you can throw out AQ since you said he hasnt been overly aggresive.
  4. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 9:19pm) in reply to ttplaya

    flatting would be very spewy since you will be putting over 1/3 of your stack in PF and are vulnerable to a lot of flops.
  5. mleone3333 mleone3333 is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 9:22pm) in reply to ttplaya

    You are saying you think we are ahead??? If so then the play is to shove. I definelty don't agree but either way never flat nearly a third of your stack ever. And I think its conservativley agreed that you would need at least 10-1 pot odds to setmine.

    GL
  6. tuthill tuthill is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 9:25pm) in reply to mleone3333

    i think you should go all in
     
  7. shinerrr shinerrr is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 9:33pm) in reply to JamesGordon00

    Never flat EVER, i fold unless i have a read that says otherwise.
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  8. JamesGordon00 JamesGordon00 is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 9:33pm) in reply to JamesGordon00

    No I think it is a fold...just wondering what everyone else thinks???
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  9. ReBinkRiver ReBinkRiver is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 9:40pm) in reply to JamesGordon00

    I don't know. I recently have had a lot of people do this shit to me with 1010- (yes minus, less than 10's) just because they hate raising UTG with those pairs.

    AKs is in the range too.

    So is QQ+ though.

    It's really close to me, I don't just fold because he limp 3bet me. I've had it done numerous times. I would say if you think with your stack size you can wait and do better in the long run in the tournament, fold. If not, ship it in and be willing to be 4:1 sometimes behind, sometimes ahead, or 50/50 the rest of the time.

    I think we lose sight a lot of the time that the objective of a tournament isn't always to make the highest +EV decision. Especially when making that +EV decision on that hand may end up causing you to be out of the tournament 40% of the time, thus allowing you to not win ANY money as the result.

    Take it for what it is.
  10. shinerrr shinerrr is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 9:49pm) in reply to ReBinkRiver

     
    Originally Posted by integratyper777 View Post


    I don't know. I recently have had a lot of people do this shit to me with 1010- (yes minus, less than 10's) just because they hate raising UTG with those pairs.

    AKs is in the range too.

    So is QQ+ though.

    It's really close to me, I don't just fold because he limp 3bet me. I've had it done numerous times. I would say if you think with your stack size you can wait and do better in the long run in the tournament, fold. If not, ship it in and be willing to be 4:1 sometimes behind, sometimes ahead, or 50/50 the rest of the time.

    I think we lose sight a lot of the time that the objective of a tournament isn't always to make the highest +EV decision. Especially when making that +EV decision on that hand may end up causing you to be out of the tournament 40% of the time, thus allowing you to not win ANY money as the result.

    Take it for what it is.

    it is possible hes doing this with 1010 or less but unlikely, alot more often then not i think he has qq+/ak, i dont think the risk of your comfortable stack is anywhere near the return but each to his own i suppose.
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  11. JamesGordon00 JamesGordon00 is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 10:02pm) in reply to JamesGordon00

    The only hand I can beat that he would do this with would be 10 10 or AK would be a coin flip.....Are you really wanting to risk your stack at this point when we are this deep???
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  12. manderbutt manderbutt is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 10:13pm) in reply to shinerrr

     
    Originally Posted by shinerrr View Post

    Never flat EVER, i fold unless i have a read that says otherwise.

    yea this seems good.
     
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