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moorman1 v.s AperfectGent 50BB Deep hand : Standard ?

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  1. theboy theboy is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 1:31am)

    Each with 50BB deep 10 players left 100 rebuy: standard ?



    pokerstars Game #59050366213: Tournament #411010505, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (3000/6000) - 2011/03/11 20:03:30 ET
    Table '411010505 23' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Goldenboys (105571 in chips)
    Seat 2: APerfectGent (552800 in chips)
    Seat 3: Moorman1 (435088 in chips)
    Seat 8: bally29 (161116 in chips)
    Seat 9: markux (145741 in chips)
    Goldenboys: posts the ante 600
    APerfectGent: posts the ante 600
    Moorman1: posts the ante 600
    bally29: posts the ante 600
    markux: posts the ante 600
    bally29: posts small blind 3000
    markux: posts big blind 6000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Moorman1 said, "i had it"
    Goldenboys: folds
    APerfectGent: raises 6700 to 12700
    Moorman1: raises 19275 to 31975
    bally29: folds
    markux: folds
    APerfectGent: raises 41525 to 73500
    Moorman1: raises 50000 to 123500
    APerfectGent: raises 77700 to 201200
    Moorman1 said, "10th"
    Moorman1: raises 233288 to 434488 and is all-in
    APerfectGent: calls 233288
    *** FLOP *** [2c 8d Qd]
    *** TURN *** [2c 8d Qd] [4c]
    *** RIVER *** [2c 8d Qd 4c] [6s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    APerfectGent: shows [Td Tc] (a pair of Tens)
    Moorman1: shows [9h 9d] (a pair of Nines)
    APerfectGent said, "gg"
    APerfectGent collected 880976 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 880976 | Rake 0
    Board [2c 8d Qd 4c 6s]
    Seat 1: Goldenboys folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: APerfectGent showed [Td Tc] and won (880976) with a pair of Tens
    Seat 3: Moorman1 (button) showed [9h 9d] and lost with a pair of Nines
    Seat 8: bally29 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: markux (big blind) folded before Flop
    Edited By: theboy Mar 12th, 2011 at 01:35 AM
  2. wmmcl wmmcl is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 1:34am) in reply to theboy

    in this spot for these two, yes
     
  3. theboy theboy is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 1:36am) in reply to wmmcl

    meaning: no one is folding any pair here? is that optimal?
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  4. jtj03 jtj03 is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 1:36am) in reply to theboy

    the part moorman saying he had it last hand?
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  5. wmmcl wmmcl is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 1:41am) in reply to theboy

    well when moorman 3bets with 99 here, im 99% sure he is doing so with the intention to get it in. if he 3bets 22-55ish i doubt he is doing so with the intention to get it in, but he may who knows. i don't know where he (moorman) would draw the line for pocket pairs between his 3bet bluff range and his 3bet value range, but 99 is obviously part of his 3bet value range against this specific opponent in this specific spot. and once he is playing 99 for value, as seen here, he isn't going to be folding
    Edited By: wmmcl Mar 12th, 2011 at 01:41 AM
     
  6. jtj03 jtj03 is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 1:41am) in reply to theboy

     
    Originally Posted by theboy View Post

    meaning: no one is folding any pair here? is that optimal?

    young grasshopper, so much to learn, no these two have created a dynamic between the two of them with the amount of hands they played against eachother. Rem we are playing against a range of hands not just 1 hand. Another reason you see them both get it in is bc they have hands that can be difficult to play post flop vs a good competent player.

    Would also like to mention this is my first real post in 2 months.....sorry for the previous attempted levels
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  7. iamthedeck ftw iamthedeck ftw is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 1:42am) in reply to jtj03

    LOL def not standard but obviously not all that spew either considering the hands turned up were so close in strength. But still, much deeper than that I'm sure as far as raise sizing. Also, looks to be final table bubble which makes it a little more standard imo.
     
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 1:42am) in reply to iamthedeck ftw

    Lol I doubt its standard but there's so much context to the hand that we don't know about that its pretty much impossible to say whether its correct or not.
     
  9. JMaster130 JMaster130 is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 1:44am) in reply to jtj03

    [ ] 50bb deep
    [X] Standard
     
  10. SlayNL SlayNL is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 2:24am) in reply to JMaster130

    By the time it's been 4bet, stacks are going in 100%
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 2:40am) in reply to SlayNL

     
    Originally Posted by SlayNL View Post

    By the time it's been 4bet, stacks are going in 100%

    Well maybe you could argue this with the cards they are holding, but I doubt the 4bet puts a 100% guarantee on the stacks getting in with their entire range at that point in the hand.
     
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 3:04am) in reply to JMaster130

     
    Originally Posted by JMaster130 View Post

    [ ] 50bb deep
    [X] Standard

    not sure if you're leveling, it's def not standard to get 70bb in on the ft bubble with 99, simply ICM wise, I asume they were 1st and 2nd in chips, I'm not saying it's bad or anything but saying it's standard when you can just flat 99 IP 70bb deep is ridic
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 3:16am) in reply to eDaN

    def standard in this spot
     
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 3:20am) in reply to njw11

    nice hands
     
  15. theboy theboy is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 3:28am) in reply to eDaN

     
    Originally Posted by eDaN View Post

    not sure if you're leveling, it's def not standard to get 70bb in on the ft bubble with 99, simply ICM wise, I asume they were 1st and 2nd in chips, I'm not saying it's bad or anything but saying it's standard when you can just flat 99 IP 70bb deep is ridic

    yes they were in top three spots
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 3:32am) in reply to theboy

    LOL @ ppl saying its standard...

    just given the gameflow and these two players it becomes way more standard.. Still its not optimal for sure.

    Ones moorman does:

    Moorman1: raises 50000 to 123500

    There is no way back though
    Edited By: iPlayTourneys Mar 12th, 2011 at 03:35 AM
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  17. Scarypooper Scarypooper is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 3:48am) in reply to SlayNL

     
    Originally Posted by SlayNL View Post

    By the time it's been 4bet, stacks are going in 100%

    Very wrong. I wouldn't even be surprised to see Moorman 5 bet fold in some spots. This seems fairly standard given the positions and action at the table. I'm guessing there had been a crazy amount of 3 and 4 betting pre or at the very least between these 2.
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 6:22am) in reply to theboy

    maybe try not examining 1 hand in a box.....the post is pretty dumb
     
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 6:36am) in reply to chron6866

    This is why HSMTTs are so easy to beat. You just have to wait for aces and you will get 13-bet all in by 99 and you can say gg buddy, ul and drag the pot to your ever growing stack.
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 9:09am) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    I mean you own MMM. but...

    would luv to hear what munk thought of this play? Stealthmunk?
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 9:41am) in reply to papoorboy

    Getting 9s allinpre here to Moorman 5 handed on FT Bubble everytime
    Edited By: The Lab Rat Mar 12th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 9:52am) in reply to The Lab Rat

    even if it was for 100bbs all the chips was going in the middle pre anyway here.
     
  23. theboy theboy is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 2:12pm) in reply to LiquidSw0rd

     
    Originally Posted by LiquidSw0rd View Post

    even if it was for 100bbs all the chips was going in the middle pre anyway here.

    I think there might be truth to that...... lol....
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 2:24pm) in reply to Scarypooper

     
    Originally Posted by Scarypooper View Post

    Very wrong. I wouldn't even be surprised to see Moorman 5 bet fold in some spots. This seems fairly standard given the positions and action at the table. I'm guessing there had been a crazy amount of 3 and 4 betting pre or at the very least between these 2.

    I think SlayNL means that by the time moorman 4bets his 99 here, the stacks go 100% in, that's his plan... Not that he never 4bet/folds w/air
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 3:31pm) in reply to iPlayTourneys

    ok soubds standard for moorman, but would u stack off here w/ 99? With table image, talbe dynamics, stack sizes and FT bubble it does seem right to 3/4/5b w/ 99 here but i'm a bit of a n00b. I'd jus flat pre lol.
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    Mar 12th, 2011 (3/12/2011 4:13pm) in reply to iPlayTourneys

     
    Originally Posted by iPlayTourneys View Post

    I think SlayNL means that by the time moorman 4bets his 99 here, the stacks go 100% in, that's his plan... Not that he never 4bet/folds w/air


    i musta misunderstood slay as well...i thought the same thing as pooper.

    This hand is completely standard, chris knew he was 3b for value with intent of 7b all-in or whatever from the get-go. I also think he 5b/folds to 120kish here alot more than we'd think, which is why hands like 99 MUST be in his range to be value 3betting (hoping to induce a light 4b/6b to get in)

     
    Originally Posted by ukaliks View Post

    ok soubds standard for moorman, but would u stack off here w/ 99? With table image, talbe dynamics, stack sizes and FT bubble it does seem right to 3/4/5b w/ 99 here but i'm a bit of a n00b. I'd jus flat pre lol.


    and yes it'd be bad for you to do this, because no one is going to expect you to 5b lightly, nor would they ever 6b you lightly in turn. It is very standard for these players, not other ppl
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