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The Full Tilt Poker Security department has recently concluded an extensive investigation and we have determined that some of your opponents were in violation of our site terms.

We have permanently closed all of the offending accounts. In cases of proven cheating, 100% of the confiscated funds are returned to the players who were victimized. The reimbursement calculation is based on the number of tournaments or hands played against the offending players, and the amount won or lost against them.

We have determined that you are entitled to a refund of $18.68 which will be placed in your account in the next 72 hours.

For a number of reasons, we are unable to provide any other additional information regarding this case, including the players involved and the game type where it occurred. We thank you for your understanding in this regard. The vigilance of our players in reporting suspicious behavior is an important addition to our ongoing diligence against unethical conduct, and we carefully investigate every concern of suspicious activity.

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[FONT=Arial]So I appreciate the reimbursement, but how can I be sure that I have gotten enough money to make up for this? Think its really not right to get robbed, and not know who robbed you, or have the details of how they robbed you, or how much they actually robbed... Sad to see cheating is still going on, even at micro stakes. I've emailed them asking for these details and time will tell if they want to come clean about the details.. This really makes you wonder how much of this goes on, and how much money it has cost you. I mean I'm sure this must be done by people with more advanced methods to prevent being detected.. [/FONT]

burn em all

Yea I got this also, my first. I;m not sure where this came from though because I play all kinds of stuff. Mostly stud cash and some nlhe sng's/mtt's then a light mix of everything else they offer.

Got the exact same thing in my email today! I was wondering why they wont state the names of the cheaters or what games it was that were played when it took place! I recieve $19.27. I want to know whether it is super turbo sng's or what. Do any of you guys play superturbo sng's?

I got the same email and a small refund today as well. I primarily play low stakes 6-max cash - I play less than 20 small buy-in MTT's a month. I don't think I would have received this much from MTT's, so I'm assuming it came from the cash tables.

I saw a thread on the other forum that was discussing Full Tilt uncovering some people running bot programs. There was even a post explaining that a particular bot software forum was blowing up with users who had their accounts closed and funds confiscated.

yea i got this as well..I recieved 15.98 and the only games i play on their are rush 4.40 135 man because i'm backed for them and have played over 1200 of them so i can't even imagine how they came to the 15.98 conclusion.

 

Originally Posted by Icebeast26

I got the same email and a small refund today as well. I primarily play low stakes 6-max cash - I play less than 20 small buy-in MTT's a month. I don't think I would have received this much from MTT's, so I'm assuming it came from the cash tables.

I saw a thread on the other forum that was discussing Full Tilt uncovering some people running bot programs. There was even a post explaining that a particular bot software forum was blowing up with users who had their accounts closed and funds confiscated.

not cash games because i play mtts, sngs, and got email mainly 3 90, 5 45, and <10 mtts

 

Originally Posted by just-jOHnny

do any of u play 45's 90's 180's?

I got the same email, for like 28 bucks, but I do not play these. Based on the games I play on ftp, I'm guessing this was either for collusion in a mtt, or a bot on the 50nl 6max rush tables.

Snap! Got one for $38..it's just left me wondering more than anything...

Wow I didnt think there were bots that worked on the major sites. Are there still people using bots on pokerstars as well?

Bot Ring apparently behind the Full Tilt Poker Cheating Scandal
October 15, 2010

Full Tilt came down hard on Poker Bots
I still plan on writing to Full Tilt Poker and asking them a few questions concerning the cheating scandal, but it appears that the mystery was revealed. A company called �Shanky Technologies� runs and operates a site titled bonusbots.com, where they sell a variety of �advanced poker robots� that play online poker for you, so that you no longer have to make decisions as a poker player. The site claims that their bots play a �professional-level poker at the better online poker rooms� and �Plays all game structures and has a full stealth/hide mode.� Their objective is to get players to plunk down $130 to buy their bots, and then they sit back and try to tell you that you�ll be a winning poker player in no time.

The trouble is, the use of bot�s is a violation of all major online sites user agreements. In the case of Full Tilt Poker, their user agreement states: �the use of artificial intelligence including, without limitation, �robots� is strictly forbidden in connection with the Software and the Games. All actions taken in relation to the Games by a User must be executed personally by players through the user interface accessible by use of the Software. �

Shanky Technologies tries to lure players in with their claims that their bots are �undetectable� by Full Tilt or their players. What we found out on October 14th was, that is very much not the case. Full Tilt has been apparently monitoring the usage of bots for a long period of time, and finally identified the accounts that violated their user agreement. For the accounts that used the artificial intelligence, their accounts were shut down, and their profits were disbursed to the players that lost to this artificial intelligence. Again, this all took place on October 14th.

In a response of sheer anger and frustration at having their accounts shut down and their money taken away, Shanky Technologies issued the following ridiculous statement:

Full Tilt Poker came out of nowhere and took aggressive measures to stop the use of our poker bot software at their online poker room. There was no warning given to anybody, and this was after years of tolerating us to such an extent that most of us felt they welcomed us with open arms.
To be certain, the use of such software has always been against their �official� terms of service. We all knew that. But for the past few years that part of their agreement was always perceived as being given with a wink. There are hundreds of us who have been active there on a daily basis and the overwhelming majority of us have never heard so much as a peep out of them. If they suddenly decided that they didn�t want us, given the fact that they have allowed us to proliferate unrestricted up to this point, one would expect a warning and a chance to stop using the software.

This was not their approach. They came out of left field and froze all our accounts and have confiscated all our funds. This was a very sudden and calculated move on their part. It would be difficult to describe their actions as anything other than stealing, if you understand the environment.

We were all taken by surprise and are somewhat shocked. We at Shanky Technologies now wish to offer a sincere apology to all our customers who have lost funds in this development. We are guilty of being lulled into submission by the permissive practices of this company and in fact have made statements, even recently, that we felt Full Tilt was a safe room to use our software at. Especially with all the stealth measure built into our poker bots.
Those kinds of statements were never posted publicly on our web site or in our download materials however. We have always made proper disclaimers and given warnings about the risk involved on every page of our website and in our download materials. You are ultimately responsible for the risks you took in using our product.
However in private emails, and in some posts in our support forum, we did make statements that we thought the room was safe from this type of thing, given the long history of tolerance that we have there. And we are very sorry for that. We would never intentionally mislead our customers about the risks involved.

As an example, we get constant requests to support Poker stars and party poker. We always have replied that those poker rooms have no tolerance for bots and as a result we will not even ever attempt to support them. There is no point, as the risk is simply outrageous. So we always focused on poker rooms that are known for high �bot toleration� in their practices.

This has obviously now changed. Consequently we must seriously consider un-supporting Full Tilt poker. They apparently do not want us there anymore, and would rather have our account balances than our business. We see that as an incredibly unethical move on their part and must question anybody who wishes to continue to play there even manually. Look at the people you are trusting with your money. See what kind of people they really are. We would recommend not giving them even one more hand of business, whether you ever used a poker bot before or not.

Who knows, one day they may take all your money because you visited Sharkscope.com or Tableratings.com and they scanned your browser history to find it. (Don�t laugh, the only way they are catching us is by blatant privacy violation and scanning your PC.)

If we decide to add more stealth measures and continue support, we will be issuing stern warnings about their history and the risks involved. Botting there will not be recommended by us again, ever. We think the way forward is to simply support other poker rooms instead, ones that have a more bot-friendly attitude.

As a reminder, we still support at least four other good rooms at the moment, and a couple of these have shown a great interest in having our bots play there. We think that �bot-friendly� is really the wave of the future, and that soon smart operators will realize how much online poker players love tinkering and playing with bot software and will make a �bots welcome” official policy as a result. Yes, we really do believe that or we wouldn�t be in this business. Some of our currently supported rooms are getting close to this in fact.

Some of you will stop botting because of this experience, or at least put it down for a while. But those of us who love this hobby will pick ourselves up and get back in the game at greener pastures. Shanky Technologies isn�t going anywhere. In fact we have exciting things planned in the near future.

Thanks for your understanding in this matter.

Sincerely,

Shanky Technologies team

Caught red-handed in a scheme to gain an edge on the poker community, it appears as though Shanky Technologies will continue to operate their bot sales to players on other sites. But I believe that Full Tilt Poker took the appropriate action by shutting these accounts down, and seizing the money. They followed that up by reimbursing as many losses as they could. I don�t know if they�ve actually been able to reimburse everyone that was affected, and it�s impossible for anyone other than Full Tilt to know exactly what the damage was, though it seems pretty wide-spread.

A large percentage of the players that were impacted voiced in a 2+2 thread today that the primary focus of these �bots� occurred in games that were Rush Poker games. The games by nature are incapable of being railed, so the only players viewing the hands are the 9 players that are at sitting at the table of the full ring game for that 1 hand (or the 6 in the 6-max). It appears that the bots were all over, at every style of Rush Poker, and at every limit. But their highest area of concentration came from the games that were at the micro stakes ($25 NL and under were pretty well frequented).

We will never know exactly how many accounts were involved in this �bot ring� nor will we know the identities of those accounts that were suddenly shut down. But I�m glad that they were. It�s more than a little bit frustrating to know that it took this long to have Full Tilt shut down the activity, even causing the Shanky Technologies Team to implicate that the lack of response included a basic acceptance to the use of the play. Basically, they felt that because they weren�t getting caught, that they were justifiably cheating, which is obviously utterly ridiculous.

I think for me, I�m going to steer clear of the Rush Poker games. While historically, I�m a loser at those games (at roughly -3 BB�s/100 mind you), I think that I will continue to try to avoid the area that seems to have been the most affected by �bot play.� And while it is certainly nice that the accounts were shut down, and their money disbursed, I wish that something more could be done to Shanky Technologies concerning their product. The fact that they try to claim that �bot play� is the wave of the future when they�re breaking the rules is completely absurd. Perhaps Shanky Industries also would like to say that using �God Mode� is justifiable because it gives players an edge when they can see their opponents hole cards. Bots are cheating. These clowns should be locked up somewhere, and gives further credence to the necessity that online poker in the U.S. needs a governing and regulatory body with greater financial sanctions being imposed against cheaters like this. Ideally, they�d be put out of business for good, and their assets frozen, and perhaps even spend some time in a federal facility that involves them wearing a number on their orange jumper with a guy named �Bubba� to meet and greet them night after night.

I've been mainly grinding the 90 mans $6-$13 for the past week. So probably there. played a tiny bit of rush 10nl 6 max as well. maybe 600 hands..

i got $36 back. I play all low stakes mtts. ive played maybe 20 $3.30 90m k.os in the last 2 months

Must be a lot of cheating going on. I got $22. I play mostly $4 rush sng's.

Dear Talon83,[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

The Full Tilt Poker Security department has recently concluded an extensive investigation and we have determined that some of your opponents were in violation of our site terms.

We have permanently closed all of the offending accounts. In cases of proven cheating, 100% of the confiscated funds are returned to the players who were victimized. The reimbursement calculation is based on the number of tournaments or hands played against the offending players, and the amount won or lost against them.

We have determined that you are entitled to a refund of $22.24 which will be placed in your account in the next 72 hours.
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I got $13 and play pretty much just $50nl and $100nl full ring (Rush tables inc). I was fuming when i got the email becasue my first thought was whatever they've reimbursed be I know I'd have been cheated out of 10 times that amount!Plus it tilts me so fuck*n bad why they cant tell me who the players names are, I want to go through the hands I've played with these guys. Although i have to say im happier its bots then say two guys working together at cash tables etc