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If you don't know who I am, let me catch you up. I'm the Team Pokerroom member who gave PR the goods on a player who won first and third place in an Aces of Aces tournament (click and click). I since started a group, The Players Petitioning For Fair Play, calling on PR to be more proactive in finding their own cheaters. Today, I find out they're protecting them.For three weeks mustangc1923 sat in my applicant pile for my group. Every time I rejected him, he would reapply. This little boy confessed in not one but two private forums that he had practiced collusion with his 'cousins,' and in his own defense implicated others. He was ejected from both groups. Those of you with a pokerroomstats.com account can search the above name and his others (cmustang1923 and rzilem - rzilem he has admitted to owning and PR itself CLOSED this account) and find another player with whom he played over 60% of his high stakes sitngo's. This data stopped being collected by the pokerroomstats.com in November.He has been reported several times by several people.Why am I naming names when I have said I don't want a witchhunt? BECAUSE POKERROOM ALLOWED HIM TO CHANGE IT. Search for yourself, he's not there. However, posts he made in the past in the private forums bear his new name. Domcat8585. Visit the the pokah forum on pokerroom.com to see how the thread is developing. It's called UNFORGIVABLE POKERROOM. In the words of BonesATL, "shame on you PR." How dare you drop the ball like this. It's one thing for him to drop off the face of the earth and start a new account, it's another for you to participate in his coverup.
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Are you sure? It doesn't make sense that a poker site jeapordize their integrity and their livelihood by doing this.
If they did however, your continued play there endorses their actions.
GL,
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Yeah, and he does nothing but whine... just change site then God damnit...
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thanks for the HU i'll never play PR now....
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May the witch hunt continue????
Are you a big time player on pokerroom, does this affect your bankroll in any sense. I have heard of the Pokerroom witch trials. It may uncover some cheating, but some of the names being called to the floor are just ludicrious. I say kudos to pokerroom for taking care of the cheaters, but not getting over-zealous. -
DjDaddio just really took it from great to being a joke...
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Are you a big time player on pokerroom,
Yes, he is. -
pokerroom should definitely not get a kudos. I've played on pr alot until late. Actually considered it my home site. I've now put my money on stars, where they atleast seem a little concerned. Anyone who has dealt w/ pokerroom and their support (or lack thereof) knows what I mean. They can be very difficult to deal with. Im sure they wont miss my little bit of money but I'm really starting to like stars anyway.
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I hardly see what my roll has to do with anything, but FYI I am a team PR member who moneyed in the WSOP main event last year and am claiming 80K in poker income for 2005. Call me a whiner if you like, but when PR participates in covering the tracks of someone who is a confessed and witnessed colluder, wittingly or unwittingly, I think they have a lesson to learn. Sorry if you disagree.
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So what what you won, what you're on? How little can I care?
Sure they've got issues... but get a life and just leave the site and get of your horse!
The problem is you feel like the biggest hero ever by now and you're high on it...
THEN LEAVE THE SITE FFS!!!! -
What's going to do more good for the poker community: him staying quiet and just leaving PR, or making a fuss about it and trying to get PR to change? I think the latter.
Kudos to djdaddio. I play on PR and this is pretty disturbing. -
I'm not quite sure what your beef with djdaddio's effort to get pokerroom more proactive in preventing collusion and cheating. Why does that bother you so?
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Because it's reached the point where it looks more like a self-promotion tour....
When people see this, and it's not even the first time - get real - leave the site RIGHT away instead!!! GET OUT!!! RUN AS FAST YOU CAN!!!!! -
Seriously Dreiager, the guy comes on here to give everyone the heads up and you bust his balls for it? This is a poker forum, created for the purpose of bettering our game. If it also aids in the stopping of cheats, then it should be used for that also. Props to DJ for letting everyone know what the deal is. We can all contact PR and find out for ourselves.
Dreiager, STFU, all you are doing is making yourself look suspicious. -
That's fine by me, check me.
And it's cool he looks out for the "right" players...
-but he has made several post everywhere the last weeks, writting 100+ anwsers or so...
but why is he even there if it's that bad? WHY??? Why didn't he leave right away the first time...
Why is there any players there, when it's so bad??? -
If we stayed away from every site that had cheaters, wed have a lot of free time on our hands.
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No - stay away from sites that don't CARE about it!!!
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Because it's reached the point where it looks more like a self-promotion tour....
When people see this, and it's not even the first time - get real - leave the site RIGHT away instead!!! GET OUT!!! RUN AS FAST YOU CAN!!!!!
Um.....here on P5's i think he has started a total of 3 threads about PR and collusion. Not exactly spamming.
And why should i leave PR if I only play rings there? Hell if there are colluders on my ring tables I still seem to be able to beat them so while I hope PR is more active about getting rid of them, right now I won't leave the site just because of them. -
wow, sounds like pokerroom may be getting to close to some cheaters.
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Hard to walk away from a site that I have played on from the time I started playing online poker. It has all my notes on players I have been playing with for almost 2 years (I play at HP btw, not PR directly). Not to mention the bonuses, rakeback % I have building thru referrals and affiliates. You are saying I should just pack it up and start some place new?
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sue me. I like online poker. It's given me a new life. And if the online poler industry continues to sleep on the job, somehow, someway, it's going to crash. Either sixty minutes gets a hold of it, the christian right gets a hold of it, the ATF or FBI gets a hold of it. As it stands, online poker is below even the Swiss bank account. How long before true organized crime gets in there and starts queering it for all of us. Who's to say they're not already. Use your imagination. Say someone buys five entries to a wsop satellite, or colludes with five people in it. Say he wins it. Say he wins the WSOP. Makes commercials, print ads, endorsements. He can't pay his cut to his colluders without raising alarms, Maybe he just doesn't want. His friends flip. Or maybe someone like me with less to live for and more time on their hands has the paper trail on him already. They out him as having cheated his way in. BOOM, cnn, 60 minutes, jerry falwell, joe lieberman. Sounds crazy? LOOK at all the online qualifiers in the WSOP and WPT already. Every poker player knows that the impossible bad beat is never more than a hand away. I like online poker. I believe its in its infancy. I believe they had no idea how bad it would get. I believe they know it now. They need to know that we know it too. Only a matter of time before everyone does.
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If you KNOW there is cheaters, and it's a problem - you KNOW the site won't solve it.
-GET AWAY at any costs! ffs... even the SITE don't care - what more do you need to leave? -
ps, i only offered my earnings cuz someone asked. as I said, don't know why it matters.
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This is so insane I think you could probably pitch this post as Rounders 2. Maybe the Worm could be the cheater, and he could be fat now from all his time spent on pokerstars. Matt Damon would know all about it and have to make a moral decision about whether to turn in his friend, and risk disqualifying himself because the Worm stole his password and used his account. That would be sweet.
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I made this post in response to a post by the mods over at pokerroom. Rodd, Todd, and all If I may, I'd like to analyze the following statement. from the mod's earlier post... We recognize the fact that allowing certain players to change their nickname while under investigation is not a good call. Hence we will try and update our routines to prevent this from happening again. With that said such a name change does not in any way change a player's status, records or profile. While I am gratified that you recognize that it was not a good call, I feel that PR only recognizes that because of the ill light it cast on them. There seems to be little acknowledgement that I, as a player, should have the choice of whether or not to sit with someone I know is a colluder if I see him on a table. It may not matter from your side that his nickname is changed, but it certainly does on ours. Had the needs and rights of the larger population been considered, also innocents in your definition, perhaps the switch would not have been made. This position is not unique to this isolated issue. In Pokerroom's fierce adhesion to the Rule of Privacy, much as in the lesson you seem to have learned by this, it's more about protecting Pokerroom than it is the customer. Having met you as I have, you understand as well as I do how deeply loyal we are to Pokerroom and how greatly we want it to rise to the heights of commericial and WPT success. You and I both want this. However, in the fierce defense of the brand, defense of your customers has been subjugated. It seems to me that self-preservation has become the order of the day. I suspect even at this point, with the many mentions of "forced" nickname changes, that this has something to do with the switch. Keeping secrets to the degree you do only hurts you in the end PR and contributes to the conspiracy theory mentality you have to contend with every day. It's an Iron Curtain, if you understand this American Cold War reference. Having met you, I know you are good people enthusiastic about your brand. But if your brand is more important to you than we are, in the end, you will only have a bunch of empty t-shirts and no one to wear them. Your privacy policies are also exclusive to you. Hollywood Poker freely shares the results of its investigations with those who make reports. Their support department has received high marks from everyone I've spoken to on the subject. There is nothing preventing you from adopting the same level of transparency except your choice not to. If there is some element of Swedish law at work here, I would very much like to hear that. However, I suspect that some of the intransigence on the issue may be cultural: I'm not familiar with Swedish customs. But yours is not a Swedish company, it's an international company, and I think it's fair to say that a majority of your clientelle, the clientelle that makes you a company at all, are accustomed to far higher levels of disclosure. A middle ground has got to be reached.
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If you were from my city dj, youd get jumped. If we see something, or know something, we still dont rat someone out. Cheating or not, keep your mouth shut. Ok im done.
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That's ok, he'd have somebody like me watching his back.
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is cheating so widespead that everyone hates on someone trying to stop it?
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Man, lemme tell ya, you're one tough guy. Not to mention very cool. And very hood.
So going from what you're saying, you wouldnt do anything if you saw someone cheating at your home game or, better yet, taking money from your wallet or off your paycheck right?
You tell him to keep his mouth shut- what do you want him to do, bust a cap in the guy's ass?
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