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  1. Betterman Betterman is offline

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    Feb 2nd, 2012 (2/2/2012 7:54am)

    I level myself every time I think through this hand.

    When I played it I just didn't think the river helped him cause I didn't think he should have a flush in this spot. But, he has check called on every street. I think he will call my c-bet with quite a wide range, but would expect 1 pair hands to fold the turn. So on the river do I check cause I'm scared of the flush or am I betting to extract value from 2 pair hands?

    pokerstars Hand #74878015390: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2012/02/01 22:48:11 WET [2012/02/01 17:48:11 ET]
    Table 'Hebei IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: funnyhold ($15 in chips)
    Seat 2: therealmp ($13.56 in chips)
    Seat 4: CapeTownBoy ($22.29 in chips)
    Seat 6: bluetramm ($27.60 in chips)
    Seat 7: chefrogger78 ($10 in chips)
    Seat 8: Bullet gsxr ($12 in chips)
    Bullet gsxr: posts small blind $0.10
    losants: is sitting out
    losants leaves the table
    funnyhold: posts big blind $0.25
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to CapeTownBoy [8c 8d]
    therealmp: folds
    CapeTownBoy: raises $0.50 to $0.75
    bluetramm: folds
    chefrogger78: folds
    Bullet gsxr: folds
    funnyhold: calls $0.50
    *** FLOP *** [As 8s Qd]
    funnyhold: checks
    CapeTownBoy: bets $1
    funnyhold: calls $1
    *** TURN *** [As 8s Qd] [9d]
    funnyhold: checks
    CapeTownBoy: bets $2.50
    funnyhold: calls $2.50
    *** RIVER *** [As 8s Qd 9d] [5d]
    funnyhold: checks
    CapeTownBoy: ??
  2. KingKongDonk KingKongDonk is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2012 (2/3/2012 5:46pm) in reply to Betterman

    You definitely need to valuebet river here, villain will show up few times with flush here but more often then not he has hands that will potentially call you; - depending on player type and tendencies.
    Edited By: KingKongDonk Feb 3rd, 2012 at 05:51 PM
  3. apexofpoker apexofpoker is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2012 (2/3/2012 6:23pm) in reply to KingKongDonk

    I would be assuming its like AJ or worse, so I would bet about $4 and think there is a good chance he has AJ-Ax possibly KQ and might call, 2 pair will call or could raise thinking you have AK or AJ and try to get value. I have little faith he has the flush even if he reraises all-in I would put it more to AQ than the flush.
  4. djdoodoo djdoodoo is online now

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    Feb 4th, 2012 (2/4/2012 3:48am) in reply to apexofpoker

    You valuebet river because you're less afraid of that flush than the former. He may have it every now and then but I'd put that down to a cooler. I'm not putting him on a diamond flush anyway. If he reraises me i'll just flat unless he has a history of being a dick on the river.
  5. RiverBluffme RiverBluffme is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2012 (2/5/2012 1:40pm) in reply to djdoodoo

    You should use the REM process. What's his range? What's your equity and how do you maximize value.
    By checking the river you are giving up value of worse hands that can call you. Seeing that any 2 pair or maby even TPTK can call here. If he raises he may think he's raising for value with his 2 pair. Just raise/call and if he has a flush so be it.
  6. BelieveIt BelieveIt is offline Scammer

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    Feb 6th, 2012 (2/6/2012 6:46pm) in reply to RiverBluffme

    just because he ended up with Axdd this one time is no reason to puke over spots like this
    Edited By: BelieveIt Feb 6th, 2012 at 06:47 PM
  7. Betterman Betterman is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2012 (2/6/2012 8:38pm) in reply to BelieveIt

     

    just because he ended up with Axdd this one time is no reason to puke over spots like this

    He did have Axdd. When I looked at the hand history afterwards I can see how it worked out for him. He's called from the BB with a random A then called my c-bet with top pair. On the turn he has a flush draw. Before I bet the river I discounted the flush & with hindsight it sort of makes sense that he can have a flush. I was sure it was some kind of 2 pair. Thing is, if I were in his shoes I would have bet the river
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