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Most value out of flopped quads

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  1. CreepSkills CreepSkills is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2007 (6/24/2007 7:35pm)

    First time flopping quads so I was caught a little in what to do. I was playing $1-2NL at a full table on stars. I was dealt 66 in the BB. UTG limped in and "Player A" (no reads yet, all I know is that he is 8-tabling $1-2NL) in mid-position makes a weak raise to $6. Both myself and limper call. Flop comes K66. I check, Limper checks and Player A bets out $8. I elect to call hoping limper joins but he folds. Q turns, i check and he bets $12. And at this point I wasn't sure what to do for the most value. So I guess lets take it from here... I'll post what I did after a few responses
  2. mbc82584 mbc82584 is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2007 (6/24/2007 9:40pm) in reply to CreepSkills

    I'll start off by saying what I would do at the point you left off at, then what I would've done to maximize in the first place. Here goes.

    Once you've check/called the flop and checked the turn, it's obviously time for a check raise. The percentage of players that would be susceptible to a further check call with the intention of check raising the river are VERY few, and you know who they are well ahead of time. In this spot, I'd bump it up to about $30 bucks, figuring he'll come along with AK, AQ, KQ, or even a gutshot draw like AJ or A10. He may even reraise your $30 at which point you happily shove 'em all in and collect your stash. More likely is that he'll flat call your check raise then call another value bet on the river, and you'll probably make a little extra out of the hand.

    Personally, I would've probably check/called on the flop, then lead out small on the turn. If the guy has a big king of some sort then he damn well may raise you, as he has had the lead in the pot the whole time. If he's got a big full house (KK, QQ) then he's obviously coming along anyway, and lastly if he's just got Ace hand then he may call suspecting you're on a flush draw. Hell, he may even raise you with TOTAL AIR since he's been the aggressor and likely feels like this is "his" pot.

    For me, the check raise that is mandated by the way you played the hand is OBVIOUSLY a nut-like hand (4 of a kind, boat, trips, etc). Any time a guy check calls the flop then check raises the turn, he almost certainly has a monster. Your opponent may read the check raise as a single 6 (trips) and let go of his AK. If you lead in on the turn, you are forcing him to call and also placing doubt into his mind as to whether or not your bluffing at him.

    Interested to see how it turned out for you.
  3. CreepSkills CreepSkills is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2007 (6/24/2007 10:57pm) in reply to mbc82584

    I called the $12 bet but couldn't get anything more out of him. I looked at it as maybe he was raising with a flush draw which could also have turned into a straight draw with the queen (JT hopefully but maybe AT) I wanted him to hit whatever it was but unfortunately a 7 came on the river. As I called down this whole time, I put in an $18 bet on that river 7 hoping he might see a steal as if I was the one with a busted draw but he folded. Of course with all of this, he could have had a silly hand like 44 and everything looked horrible. He was 8-tabling so who even knows if he was paying attention, could have had a bigger hand elsewhere
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