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MTT: 90 man $24 on Full Tilt- Standard Lay Down?

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  1. Bulldogmafia Bulldogmafia is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2008 (7/2/2008 11:25am)

    I am doing this from memory so bare with me.... Blinds are $150-300 plus ante. I have about $10,800 UTG, UTG+1 Villain has $19,000+, UTG+2 has $10,801 (he had a slight chip lead on me). We are the 3 big stacks at the table plus we are all in the top 9 of chip counts. About 40+ left with 9 getting paid. No reads on UTG+2 except that he has one of those Iron Man symbols next to his avatar. Big Stack was playing pretty tight, not using his stack hardly at all but I have only seen him play for a rotation so far. I have played one hand at this table and basically only stolen the blinds.

    I am dealt QQ utg, full table. I raise it to 2.5x or $750, UTG +1 smooth / snap calls, UTG+2 reraise to $2,750 folds back to me. Standard fold or am I being to nittish?
  2. pokerintheback pokerintheback is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2008 (7/2/2008 12:26pm) in reply to Bulldogmafia

    A fold here makes you the tightest player in the universe. Yeah, his RR of a UTG raise is strong, but folding here just seems dumb. I would personally shove.
  3. elusively elusively is online now

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    Jul 2nd, 2008 (7/2/2008 12:48pm) in reply to pokerintheback

    I don't know, I rarely lay down QQ preflop, but this MAY be a spot to do it.
    Someone pokerstove JJ+, AK because I'm pretty sure that's UTG+2's range. You can be 99.99% sure he's not folding if you shove. UTG+1's snap-smooth-call shouldn't concern us too much, we're crushing his range.
  4. Bulldogmafia Bulldogmafia is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2008 (7/2/2008 2:12pm) in reply to pokerintheback

    Pokerintheback , What range do you put on UTG+2? I felt JJ-AA, AK do you think this is too narrow? IF you were UTG+2 what are you raising an unknown UTG raiser with an equivalent stack with?

    I felt I could discount QQ, so I am ahead of JJ and flipping with AK and being crushed by KK-AA. I fold I have an above average stack and an M of 15. Based on the range here is the poker stove numbers:

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    59,930,640 games 0.005 secs 11,986,128,000 games/sec

    Board:

    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied

    Hand 0: 47.366% 45.79% 01.58% 27440794 945878.00 { QcQd }

    Hand 1: 52.634% 51.06% 01.58% 30598090 945878.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
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  5. LightbringerAA LightbringerAA is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2008 (7/2/2008 2:50pm) in reply to Bulldogmafia

     
    Originally Posted by Bulldogmafia View Post

    Pokerintheback , What range do you put on UTG+2? I felt JJ-AA, AK do you think this is too narrow? IF you were UTG+2 what are you raising an unknown UTG raiser with an equivalent stack with?

    i think without any reads that range is too narrow for a reraise in this spot and tourney. with no reads i'd give him an 88+ and AQ+ range and would therefore shove over him in this spot. some LAG players might do this even with much worse holdings, while you could find a fold only vs a supertight player.
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