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  1. Jack_Brown Jack_Brown is offline

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    Dec 14th, 2007 (12/14/2007 11:26am)

    Thought this deserved a post of it's own. In the post about Waco's table there was a hand mentioned where the raiser (Eli) mucked his hand after he had been called. My questions are:

    1. If he mucks is it necessary to show your cards if your the only one left in the pot, or can you just muck after the pot is raked your way?

    2. Even though it is in bad taste, can you ask to see Eli's cards if they have not yet hit the muck?

    Had this situation come up in a local tourney recently and am curious how the community as a whole feels about it. Thanks,
    K
  2. NevadaRick NevadaRick is offline

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    Dec 14th, 2007 (12/14/2007 12:35pm) in reply to Jack_Brown

    #1. No
    #2. Yes
  3. fitzfitz fitzfitz is offline

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    Dec 14th, 2007 (12/14/2007 12:35pm) in reply to Jack_Brown

    1. some rules are different, but in most circumstances if he mucks the cards the dealer will ship the pot to you, once the pot is shipped toss your own cards in the muck ( but not before to avoid confusion). also anyone can ask to see your hand and it would not be bad ettiquette to persae because you have the winning hand.

    2. Yes you can, and some places will pull them out of the muck if they are "retrievable" to the dealer. It is 99% in bad taste as the rule is in place to prevent collusion. Having other players at the table seeing you as unethical and gunning for you is not something you generally want, you want them playing straight forward against you as they would someone they are more friendly with.
     
  4. Reech Reech is offline around

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    Dec 14th, 2007 (12/14/2007 1:02pm) in reply to Jack_Brown

    by way of example, a hand from Bond18's Sydney post:

    Next comes one of the more interesting hands I’ve played. The player on my right is kind of fancy aggressive in a bad way and made bluffs in stupid spots. He showed me one of them after check raising me on the turn with a draw and I’d been waiting to snap him off. He’s also the player that sucked me out with QT. One other interesting piece of history is that in an earlier hand Terrence called a guys river bet in a pot controlled situation with KT high on a AJXXX board. The guy tapped the table, went to muck but instead decided to table his KQ. Terrence concedes the hand and I blurt “Really!?” then make a mental note to insta call anyone in that spot then look like I have the nuts if it comes to that.

    My stack: ~25,000, his stack: ~18,000, blinds 150/300 with 25 ante. I hold AsKh in MP1.

    Preflop: UTG folds, UTG+1 limps, I raise to 1200, folds back to UTG+1, he calls.

    Flop: Ts Tc 4s

    He bets 2000, I call.

    Turn: 7c

    He checks, I check.

    River: 7d

    He bets 3000 and I insta call him. He looks at me meekly, pulls up his A8o for me to see, then mucks it. I hold on to my cards for a moment and ask the dealer

    “Do I need to show here or since he mucked do I get the full pot without showing?”

    “You may muck sir.”
    I go to muck, but then Mark Vos (who just showed up, three hours late) decides to make things interesting.

    “Dealer, I want to see his cards!”

    “You’ll have to reveal your cards sir.”
    ”Alright Mark, just for you.”
    I table the AKo and the guy on my right says nothing. I know he’s got to be pissed on the inside.
  5. Jack_Brown Jack_Brown is offline

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    Dec 14th, 2007 (12/14/2007 3:01pm) in reply to Jack_Brown

    Thanks for the responses,
    The real reason is that I pulled a move to put someone on tilt at a local tourney. It's a game of about 30-40 run each time there is a holiday during the week. (all the atty's and judges in the game have Monday off). Anyway there is a guy there who in the past has been very cocky and full of himself and his 'poker skills'. So in the first 3 hands he runs over the field in 2 of them with outrageous bets, so on the 4th or 5th hand, I limp in EP with AJc, he raises pre and I call. Flop comes J high rainbow and I bet he raises I call. Turn a blank, I check call. River, I check call over 1/2 my remaining stack and ask him to show? This immediately puts him on tilt as I insist that he show first, he eventually tables 23o for a missed gutbuster.......I show and take the pot and he hollers at me for about 2 min about how he is never going to forget that .,.....yada yada yada. 3 hands later he goes out with 72o and glares at me.......guess I know why now and will have to really think about it before putting someone on tilt this way. I didn't really know that it was like purposely standing with your shadow in someone's line while they are putting.
    K
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  6. satcheldog satcheldog is offline

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    Dec 14th, 2007 (12/14/2007 3:05pm) in reply to Jack_Brown

    In this case, wp. Making him show put him on tilt. This donk will continue to play the same way in the future.
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